Nagant Pistol ID

TLL · Nov 27, 2018

I found a Nagant with a .32 adapter cylinder. The pistol does not have a date or serial number as my tula 1945 does. Internet search shows a 3rd manufacturer.
I have a couple pics for you. Just find it unusual not to be dated or serial numbered. Tiny import mark by cai ? under barrel. Thanks

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ken792 · Nov 27, 2018

It's a Tula and pre-1917 since it has the old name for the factory as being named after Emperor Peter the Great (Imper. Petra Velik).

TLL · Nov 27, 2018

It has the bakelit grips that are shown on the 1916. Just strange no ser # .

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airbornetrooper · Nov 27, 2018

I would guess the date and serial were ground off during an overzealous refurb process. Still a neat find.

somd_mustangs · Nov 27, 2018

It's weird someone would grind the date off but not the factory legend (and not easy to do w/o being obvious).
Might be able to mic it and see if the frame is different widths across the logo and where the date should be (and where S/N should be) to see if any / how much material removed.

Did you open it up and see if there is an S/N is inside the sideplate or elsewhere?
http://russianrevolvers.com/nagant_russian_production_begins.html

this site has some decent pics of the different mfg logos, etc
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareNagant.htm

can try asking on the gunboards too:
https://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?18-M1895-NAGANT-Pistol-Collector-Forum

h2u · Nov 27, 2018

somd_mustangs said:
It's weird someone would grind the date off but not the factory legend (and not easy to do w/o being obvious).
Might be able to mic it and see if the frame is different widths across the logo and where the date should be (and where S/N should be) to see if any / how much material removed.

Did you open it up and see if there is an S/N is inside the sideplate or elsewhere?
http://russianrevolvers.com/nagant_russian_production_begins.html

this site has some decent pics of the different mfg logos, etc
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareNagant.htm

can try asking on the gunboards too:
https://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?18-M1895-NAGANT-Pistol-Collector-Forum

RIP to Joe Leiper (owner of russianrevolvers and moderator of Nagant section on Gunboards). We recently lost a GREAT collector of firearms in general and one of the top Nagant collectors - period.

I also tend to agree with abt’s theory of overzealous refurb. I’ve seen MANY Russian/Soviet firearms ground way down during refurb.

mawkie · Nov 28, 2018

h2u said:
RIP to Joe Leiper (owner of russianrevolvers and moderator of Nagant section on Gunboards). We recently lost a GREAT collector of firearms in general and one of the top Nagant collectors - period.

I also tend to agree with abt’s theory of overzealous refurb. I’ve seen MANY Russian/Soviet firearms ground way down during refurb.

When did Joe L pass? Sad to lose such a font of information for everything Nagant. He was a classy gentleman, always above the occasional mud slinging session.

303_enfield · Nov 28, 2018

mawkie said:
When did Joe L pass? Sad to lose such a font of information for everything Nagant. He was a classy gentleman, always above the occasional mud slinging session.

Died 9-19-18 cancer got him.

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