New online system 10/1/2016

swinokur said:

MSP runs Lotus Notes and DOS 4.0.

modern IT infrastructure

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Lotus Notes was rebranded as IBM Notes after they bought it and is still a current offering from IBM. I've used it and it's a good alternative to Sharepoint and Exchange.

IBM bought Lotus Notes in 1995 yet MSP still refers to it as Lotus Notes. So no apparent upgrade since 1995?

TylerFirearms said:

Lotus Notes was rebranded as IBM Notes after they bought it and is still a current offering from IBM. I've used it and it's a good alternative to Sharepoint and Exchange.

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Sharepoint blows because people try to use it as a version controlled file repository.

swinokur said:

MSP runs Lotus Notes and DOS 4.0.

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...on a 286.

TylerFirearms said:

Your basic information (name, address, etc.) is saved to your account and used for each application. You'll be able to create multiple applications and they will be pending forever until acted upon. All you need to bring to the store is an application number and PIN. You'll verify the information is still correct, we add the gun information and submit the application. Too easy.

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Maybe some actual thought went into this.

BeoBill said:

...on a 286.

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IIRC, DOS 4.01 came out around the time that the 386 was affordable.

Pinecone said:

Maybe some actual thought went into this.

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MSP has been working with some dealers over the past few months to make sure it's easy to use and does what we (dealers) need, you (the applicant) and they (MSP) require. In my opinion, it's about as good as it can get. Point, click, transfer.

For those that are members of the AGC the Legislative Vice President gave an update on this at our last monthly meeting, if you reach out to the LVP or your club officer you can get a hold of his report/assessment for more details.

I want to thank our IP's for weighing in with some cool heads and inside information.

My first knew jerk reaction was something to the effect of, "They're getting more computers involved? That's just going to screw it up. Computers always screw up, and we won't be able to buy any handguns because of it. Aaaand...it doesn't take too much more tightening of the tinfoil to suspect that the government could easily shut it down at any moment under the guise of, 'Sorry, the computers screwed up'"

Thinking about it a little more, I guess I had the same fears about the HQL on computers and that ultimately worked out, I guess As was pointed out, there isn't a deadline, so maybe it won't be the rushed together fiasco the Obamacare website was?

I am still a little worried about security. I'm no techie by any means, but it seams the more remote access to something, the more vulnerable it can be. I like to think the MSP database is on floppy disks (the big ones) in a system that cannot even dialup AOL but is secured in a Mission Impossible style vault. But now we are going to let my potentially pornworm infested computer have access to it...remotely?
I accept that the government knows what guns I have. Like paying taxes, I don't like it but I accept it because it is, and I really have no choice. I do not want a hacker to have a shopping list of all my guns, as well as my address and employer/work number (so they can find out when I'm at work and not with my guns). But government databases don't get hacked, right?

Ultimately, I guess when this gets sorted out (I have NO doubt there is going to be a major screw up period at the beginning), if it streamlines the process it will be a good thing. Hopefully they will get the kinks worked out before I am financially ready to buy again after the pre election rush anyway.

But...this is the 21st century for cryin' out loud! Rite Aide can scan my driver's license and tell the last time I bought decongestant...and I never registered with them or gave them my fingerprints or anything. Why can't the LGS just scan my HQL to prove I'm a good boy, then scan my license to prove who I am (maybe add a fingerprint for extra security? Why not, it should be on file, right?) and then send me on my way. I understand the previous need for the 7 day wait, when someone had to physically find and read my paper file to make sure I was not prohibited...but that's "instant" now, right? Is it a "cooling off period" so I don't buy a gun to do something bad in a fit of passion? Well, the HQL makes for a 2weeks+ cooling off/background check period. Being training exempt from the HQL (and designated collector) means that I already have a handgun anyway. Why would I go through the expense of buying a new gun when I could just get a couple out of the safe and be just as naughty with them?

I know...I know the answers to my own questions...it's Common Sense Gun Control...unfortunately we took common sense out of the curriculum a long time ago...

Nice

BeoBill said:

They're still trying to get Notus Lotes to work properly. Oh, and forget any security on the database or system - "that will break it."

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And use Wordstar

babalou said:

And use Wordstar

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Edlin

Pinecone said:

IIRC, DOS 4.01 came out around the time that the 386 was affordable.

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I remember.

A1Uniform said:

Their first official act, when I attended an earlier training session, was to get immediately locked out (for 10 or 15 minutes) of their own system when they tried to login and begin the demonstration.

Hardly awe-inspiring.

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You must'a been at the session I attended! Edit: although possibly not given your location. I attended a session at Pikesville....the same session Chuck (Tyler Firearms) attended.

TylerFirearms said:

You just dated yourself. How many people are asking "What's DOS?"... LMAO

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I worked on DOS before there were even PCs....(IBM Mainframe DOS which eventually became DOS/VSE).

sxs said:

I worked on DOS before there were even PCs....(IBM Mainframe DOS which eventually became DOS/VSE).

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Me too. I go back to peek and poke statements on a Commodore 64. Only until I was a senior was I allowed on the C128. My first PC was a Tandy 286/10 that I over clocked to a 12 with a 40MB hard card (now compact flash) and I believe 64MB of extended Memory (upgraded when I had the money, of course). Monochrome CRT, of course. I upgraded it over time and outright refused to switch to Windows when it first came out. Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect were the applications of choice for the then demanding entrepreneur.

I used dBase to make my first application - Social Hall Manager, that I sold for a few years and made good money back in the mid to late 80's. That evolved into dBase for Windows later on and spawned another company that I sold for a pretty penny.

Fast forward a few decades and my iPhone is 1,000 times faster and can do way more things than that computer ever did. It's still sitting in my brothers attic somewhere. One day I'll get it and see if it still works, waiting the 20 minutes or so to get it booted up.

Ahh. The good old days of dial-up modems and Wildcat BBS's - the precursor to Facebook, Twitter and Instagram - apparently still in development.

Remember PCBoard?

sxs said:

I worked on DOS before there were even PCs....(IBM Mainframe DOS which eventually became DOS/VSE).

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I worked on computers running RTE.

TylerFirearms said:

Me too. I go back to peek and poke statements on a Commodore 64. Only until I was a senior was I allowed on the C128. My first PC was a Tandy 286/10 that I over clocked to a 12 with a 40MB hard card (now compact flash) and I believe 64MB of extended Memory (upgraded when I had the money, of course). Monochrome CRT, of course. I upgraded it over time and outright refused to switch to Windows when it first came out. Lotus 1-2-3 or WordPerfect were the applications of choice for the then demanding entrepreneur.

I used dBase to make my first application - Social Hall Manager, that I sold for a few years and made good money back in the mid to late 80's. That evolved into dBase for Windows later on and spawned another company that I sold for a pretty penny.

Fast forward a few decades and my iPhone is 1,000 times faster and can do way more things than that computer ever did. It's still sitting in my brothers attic somewhere. One day I'll get it and see if it still works, waiting the 20 minutes or so to get it booted up.

Ahh. The good old days of dial-up modems and Wildcat BBS's - the precursor to Facebook, Twitter and Instagram - apparently still in development.

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A hard card was a hard drive mounted on the interface card. Not solid state at all.

And I think you mean 64 KB of memory. DOS could only address 1 MB.

But some of us go back to before any of the PCs. If you had a home computer, you built it.

an ASCII based machine Until 2009 I worked on a binary computer running Ultra 36 OS all binary, along with paper tape reader writer, tape drives and a large 256 mb hard drive.

Pinecone said:

And I think you mean 64 KB of memory. DOS could only address 1 MB.

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It was a typo. I started typing "GB" out of habit, then changed it to "MB". It's been so long since I typed "KB" that my fingers don't type that combination anymore... LOL