How Would a Reciprosity Law Affect Marylanders?

Cold Steel · Dec 31, 2017

If such a law passed, what effect would it have on us? The state would have to recognize concealed weapons permits from out of state, but not necessarily permits held by Maryland residents.

Some feel this law will pass. I have my doubts. But if it does and I have a Virginia permit, would I be able to carry in Maryland, or will the police roll it up and shove it up where the sun never shines?

In the meantime, does anyone know of someone who was convicted of illegal carry? How tough is the state on such people? I'm not talking about some Baltimore punk who gets picked up on a weapons charge, but some guy who was caught with a Raven .25 in his coat pocket, which he carried for protection. (If you're ever caught for something like this, don't talk to the police, and call the NRA. Sometimes they get involved in things like that. Or at least they used to.)

iH8DemLibz · Dec 31, 2017

You, as a law abiding firearm owner, will be treated far worse than the fourteen year old that was arrested, twice, for carrying a loaded handgun in Baltimore City.

Just my personal opinion, but carrying concealed, without a permit, is setting yourself up for a really bad day. If the state wanted us carrying Raven .25 pistols in our coat pockets, for protection, the state would freely issue us permits. But dat ain't a gonna happin'.

Not to mention the loss of your 2A rights forever in Maryland.

And I don't think the police are afforded any discretion or leeway when it comes to illegally carrying in this state. 99.99% certain you'd be arrested. Would be nice if that weren't the case.

thomfantomas · Dec 31, 2017

If the senate version passes you will need a md state issued permit in order to carry in md

lazarus · Dec 31, 2017

thomfantomas said:
If the senate version passes you will need a md state issued permit in order to carry in md

A little of me would still hope if it passes MD after losing lawsuits fighting reciprocity will decide to bow to the inevitable and move to shall issue to its residents.

I doubt it, but I can dream. But hey, at least I could get an out of state permit and carry in all the other states.

Augie · Dec 31, 2017

It would have zero effect, Froshole would file a lawsuit within 10 seconds of the law passing.

swinokur · Dec 31, 2017

A House Senate conference committee would work out the details if both bills passed their respective houses, which is a tough battle in the Senate because 60 votes are needed to cut off debate and move to a floor vote.

It's just conjecture on what would come out of the conference committee. If I had to guess, I'd say the Senate version would gain more support as it would not allow residents to carry in their home state on a non resident permit, something the states rights folks will scream about anyway.

Cold Steel · Dec 31, 2017

Marylanders hate gun owners.

They hate gun stores.

They really hate gun ranges. Or places to shoot.

If you can, I recommend you keep your guns in Virginia. In fact, if this reciprocity law passes, I'm going to become a legal resident of Virginia and pay it my taxes.

My neighbors all despise guns. They despise Trump. When one neighbor wanted to cut down a tree, the other neighbor came over in tears and demanded to know why we granted access to the tree that was to be cut. We couldn't have prevented it, mind you, but you would have thought someone had run over her cat! She was hysterical, literally in tears! BTW, she's fine on abortion...just don't cut down trees! Our other neighbors witnessed her behavior and waited until she was out of town to cut down their tree!

And worst...they all assume you're a liberal and they never measure their words. It's unthinkable that one would vote Libertarian! If the tree-hugger neighbor ever found out we had a gun in our home, I don't think she could sleep at night. Nor let her kids play in the back yard for that matter.

swinokur · Dec 31, 2017

sounds like my neighbors too

Biggfoot44 · Dec 31, 2017

But you choose to live next to them

swinokur · Dec 31, 2017

Its where my children are.

It doesn't make much difference, most of urban MD thinks the same way.

I don't talk or deal with them anyway. I ignore them

Not_an_outlaw · Dec 31, 2017

thomfantomas said:
If the senate version passes you will need a md state issued permit in order to carry in md

Then, I believe you would have a valid and winnable case based on equal protection or the commerce clause.

EL1227 · Dec 31, 2017

Yeppers ...

Augie said:
It would have zero effect, Froshole would file a lawsuit within 10 seconds of the law passing.

And to add insult to injury, he'd ask the MD GA to cover anticipated 2018 legal expenses by padding his $5M slush fund again.

iH8DemLibz · Dec 31, 2017

Cold Steel said:
Marylanders hate gun owners.

They hate gun stores.

They really hate gun ranges. Or places to shoot.

If you can, I recommend you keep your guns in Virginia. In fact, if this reciprocity law passes, I'm going to become a legal resident of Virginia and pay it my taxes.

My neighbors all despise guns. They despise Trump. When one neighbor wanted to cut down a tree, the other neighbor came over in tears and demanded to know why we granted access to the tree that was to be cut. We couldn't have prevented it, mind you, but you would have thought someone had run over her cat! She was hysterical, literally in tears! BTW, she's fine on abortion...just don't cut down trees! Our other neighbors witnessed her behavior and waited until she was out of town to cut down their tree!

And worst...they all assume you're a liberal and they never measure their words. It's unthinkable that one would vote Libertarian! If the tree-hugger neighbor ever found out we had a gun in our home, I don't think she could sleep at night. Nor let her kids play in the back yard for that matter.

Wait until word gets out that a huge portion of the Andrew Jackson tree at 1600 is getting whacked.

It's rotted beyond being saved. Being held together with steel rods and cables.

The First Lady has plans to take cuttings from it and replant the cuttings on the WH grounds. And other locations.

Should be one hell of a tree hugger freak-out.

DC-W · Dec 31, 2017

Regardless of which version passes, one requiring any permit being recognized and the other requiring a home state permit first, the net affect will be more guns in MD. It’s a win either way.

Of course there will be lawsuits. Can’t really do much about those other than to pay attention to who’s AG and when they’re up for election again.

BTW, merely moving to VA will not spare one from having to stay active in working to protect their rights. VA falls under the 4th Circuit court just like MD. It’s not implausible that one day a may-issue permit scheme, “assault weapon” ban, or any other of our awful laws could appear there some day. With the way that legislature is going, it’s not looking as impossible as it was a few years ago...

swinokur · Dec 31, 2017

And with a Democrat governor and control of the HOD hanging in the balance, VA won't be immune from the liberal cancer that is spreading from NOVA all over the state.

Mark75H · Dec 31, 2017

Not_an_outlaw said:
Then, I believe you would have a valid and winnable case based on equal protection or the commerce clause.

After you were arrested, held without bail, then slow walked thru the system to discourage others from following your lead. After about $1,000,000 inlegal fees and years in limbo, yeah, you might win.

Frosh will fight legal carry in MD to his last breath.

ohen cepel · Dec 31, 2017

It will make it CRYSTAL clear that md s*$(( c#*$* in h(*l for anyone who has a doubt still about it..............

Jim12 · Dec 31, 2017

Cold Steel said:
Marylanders hate gun owners.

They hate gun stores.

They really hate gun ranges. Or places to shoot.

If you can, I recommend you keep your guns in Virginia. In fact, if this reciprocity law passes, I'm going to become a legal resident of Virginia and pay it my taxes.

My neighbors all despise guns. They despise Trump. When one neighbor wanted to cut down a tree, the other neighbor came over in tears and demanded to know why we granted access to the tree that was to be cut. We couldn't have prevented it, mind you, but you would have thought someone had run over her cat! She was hysterical, literally in tears! BTW, she's fine on abortion...just don't cut down trees! Our other neighbors witnessed her behavior and waited until she was out of town to cut down their tree!

And worst...they all assume you're a liberal and they never measure their words. It's unthinkable that one would vote Libertarian! If the tree-hugger neighbor ever found out we had a gun in our home, I don't think she could sleep at night. Nor let her kids play in the back yard for that matter.

Sounds like the MoCo neighborhood I left. But as they make MoCo less livable, they're spreading Eastward. Like toxic mold.

Cold Steel · Jan 1, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
But you choose to live next to them

What could I have possibly have said to give you that idea? The neighbors on all sides moved in after we did. They chose to live next to us. Besides, I hate to admit this, but my wife hates guns, too. She says when I die she's going to call the police and say, "Come get 'em!" But I'm going to leave them to others in my will -- some of them her relatives!

Liberalism is an insidious thing. Completely hypocritical in nature. The folks in Los Angeles and New York believe only they should be able to vote. That's why they'd love to see the Electoral process done away with. To them, America is all about majority rules. It has nothing to do with the rights of the minority being protected. Rosie O'Donnel said no one in our day and age needs guns. Yeah, only those who live between L.A. and New York. Only those who live and work on ranches and who hike and camp in the national parks. But in her world those people don't exist.

Cold Steel · Jan 1, 2018

DC-W said:
It’s not implausible that one day a may-issue permit scheme, “assault weapon” ban, or any other of our awful laws could appear there some day. With the way that legislature is going, it’s not looking as impossible as it was a few years ago...

Yes, Virginia is looking increasingly like Maryland, which is a shame because I've always been proud of being a Virginian. I foolishly moved here because of my job, but i would have never come here had I known what the laws and people were like.

Years ago I bought a gun at Dick's in Maryland. The paperwork kept me there for well over an hour. When I went to pick up my gun, a tiny Beretta .25acp, the sales rep put it in one paper bag, stapled it repeatedly across the top, placed it in another paper bag and stapled that repeatedly with the receipt and paperwork across the top. Once that was complete, someone escorted me to the door. In all my years in the South, in Virginia, Kentucky and West Virginia, I'd never been treated like that. At home when I finally got the bags open, some ******* had taped the box shut with dual layers of heavy clear tape. (I'm sure that had I walked around the block and attempted to enter the store that I would have been met by their security people.) Have any of you ever been treated like that?

This is the way countries go down the tube. I'm old enough to remember when if you got caught carrying a gun illegally that the cop would tell you to put it in your trunk and not to do it again. That was back when cops addressed people as "sir" and "ma'am." Those days are gone. And with all the free access to guns back in those days, school shootings and mass shootings were unheard of. It's only when liberalism gets its roots in a society that such things start to happen.

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