plinkerton
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Is someone who had an involuntary commitment at age 15 considered a prohibited person?
I Googled and can't find a definitive answer
I Googled and can't find a definitive answer
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Is someone who had an involuntary commitment at age 15 considered a prohibited person?
I Googled and can find a definitive answer
Ain’t juvie stuff s’pota be sealed?
Is someone who had an involuntary commitment at age 15 considered a prohibited person?
I Googled and can find a definitive answer
My reading of the 77R puts her in the clear, it references Maryland Code 10-101, and she has no mental disease. I don't think, and this is the tough point, and where I now think she needs to talk to a lawyer, but does her mother taking her there meet the "involuntary committed" standard?
My reading of the instructions for question 11 f on the 4473 because she was never committed by a court she is OK for a long gun.
It does not matter whats "true," only whats been reported. How did the nurse/doctor fill out the form and put it in the system?
Even if it does not meet the standard, you need to find out what is actually in the system, because there have been cases where nurses filled out the form a certain way and reported it that way.
You dont want to be a situation where you fill out a 4473 or 77r only to find out that this was reported (perhaps incorrectly).
Step 1 seems to me is to get the records. Then proceed from there.
All of the above answers are good, and are in line with how I was thinking.
A younger friend of mine who is now a responsible late 20's young lady spent a few days at Shepard Pratt when she was 15. There were family issues, and the police got involved. The police gave her mother a choice, 15 year old girl goes to Shepard Pratt or 15 year old girl goes to jail. She didn't give me and I didn't ask for any details beyond that.
No mental or legal issues since then.
She was taken there by her mother. There was no court involvement, I don't believe she was "committed"
My reading of the 77R puts her in the clear, it references Maryland Code 10-101, and she has no mental disease. I don't think, and this is the tough point, and where I now think she needs to talk to a lawyer, but does her mother taking her there meet the "involuntary committed" standard?
My reading of the instructions for question 11 f on the 4473 because she was never committed by a court she is OK for a long gun.
The nurse/doctor doesn't send a report to NICS, the courts do(civil, criminal or probate), they are state reccords, not private "medical records". If there was no court order, even if her parents took her in kicking and screaming, it is not an involuntary commitment, it was "voluntary", by way of her parents. Of course get records and pay a couple bucks to have an Attorney verify that is the case, if so she is GTG provided it was not more than a 30 day stretch.
Even if she was involuntary admitted, there is still a 72 hour evaluation period in the hospital to determine if the involuntary is warranted. It's part of the adjudication process. It isn't until after the evaluation period, and some kind of quasi judicial body makes a determination, that an involuntary is finalized.
This is backed up by a court case called Furda.
Additionally, commitments are NOT a lifetime prohibitors in MD anymore. If I recall, MD has a relief process to restore rights.
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...on=5-205&ext=html&session=2018RS&tab=subject5
"(e) A person who is disqualified from owning a rifle or shotgun under subsection (b)(6), (7), (8), (9), (10), or (11) of this section may seek relief from the disqualification in accordance with § 5–133.3 of this title."
Section 9 referrs to voluntary over 30 days
Section 10 referrs involuntary
The relief process in PS 5-133.3
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...=5-133.3&ext=html&session=2018RS&tab=subject5