privately selling a nonregulated firearm

GONZOtheMAN · Feb 6, 2010

Hows it going every! a friend of mine is thinking about selling his Mossberg 500 shotgun. for the price hes letting it go for it would fit in great with my collection.

so heres my question. Will we have to go to a FFL for me to legally purchase the shotgun from him? We are both Maryland residents. i read everywhere its unlawful to privately sell a "regulated firearm" but i don't see anything about non regulated firearm sales.

Thanks a lot!
Nathan

travistheone · Feb 6, 2010

just sell it like you would any normal item. Some folks like to keep a bill of sale.

If he is your friend, and not a crack head, just do the deal. No FFL needed.

august1410 · Feb 6, 2010

This can be sold face to face. As long as the purchasing party can legally own a firearm in the state of MD, there is no problem.

I would suggest, however, covering your butt. Even though you know this individual, create a bill of sale with ALL PERTINENT INFO.....

Norton · Feb 6, 2010

Here's a bill of sale you can use:

ftp://texasguntrader.com/billofsale.pdf

GONZOtheMAN · Feb 6, 2010

excellent! thanks for the info and the bill of sale.

novus collectus · Feb 6, 2010

Both parties must be residents of MD and over 18 years old. Other than that, as others have stated for non-regulated firearms, getting and keeping the ID info and getting a signature is not necessary but a good idea.

dwsjr · Feb 6, 2010

Agree with above, as long as you know the source do it. If not, err on the side of caution. Enjoy your new shotty, I love mine. Not elegant but always goes bang.

Papi4baby · Feb 23, 2010

So if you dont know the person, how would you guys go about it??? I dont want to sell a firearm to someone who can't own one. I am also talking about a shotgun.

Thanks, and sorry to using your thread OP.

august1410 · Feb 23, 2010

Papi4baby said:
So if you dont know the person, how would you guys go about it??? I dont want to sell a firearm to someone who can't own one. I am also talking about a shotgun.

Thanks, and sorry to using your thread OP.

There lies the big question. I really don't think there is a clear answer to that.

Markp · Feb 24, 2010

Mossberg 500... that's regulated... you can build a Mossberg Assault Shotgun from it...

Just kidding... but that's the attitude that some folks get.

As far as them being legal to own you have a few choices.

1. Signed and notarized statement from them.
2. Transfer at MDSP.
3. Transfer through FFL
4. Transfer with a verbal statement from them.
5. Transfer with a written but non-notarized statement from them.

As long as you do not have reason to believe that they are a prohibited person, you are in the clear.

Mark

august1410 · Feb 24, 2010

Markp said:
Mossberg 500... that's regulated... you can build a Mossberg Assault Shotgun from it...

Just kidding... but that's the attitude that some folks get.

Mark

My Savage is so old, I don't think anyone believes it will actually shoot.

travistheone · Feb 24, 2010

As far as I know, as long as you have no reason to believe the buyer is prohibited, you are legal.

I don't like to sell to complete unknowns. The forum here is a good way to "get to know" your buyer.

august1410 · Feb 24, 2010

travistheone said:
As far as I know, as long as you have no reason to believe the buyer is prohibited, you are legal.

I don't like to sell to complete unknowns. The forum here is a good way to "get to know" your buyer.

I have only sold to people I know on here. Additionally, even though I know them, I work up a bill of sale with MDL# and info for both parties and corresponding signatures. I keep a copy and give them a copy.

travistheone · Feb 24, 2010

Drivers License number is a good cover your ass measure. I normally loose the paper though.

august1410 · Feb 24, 2010

travistheone said:
Drivers License number is a good cover your ass measure. I normally loose the paper though.

I have a file with my gun documentation. Owner's manuals and such. I keep the bills of sale in there.

Papi4baby · Feb 24, 2010

Thanks guys.

I was thinking of also running the guys name on the MD Judiciary Case Search database and under crimes make sure they came back clear as another way to see if they are a stand up citizen.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp

There's the link in case anyone does not know what i am talking about.

GONZOtheMAN · Feb 24, 2010

Papi4baby said:
Thanks guys.

I was thinking of also running the guys name on the MD Judiciary Case Search database and under crimes make sure they came back clear as another way to see if they are a stand up citizen.

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp

There's the link in case anyone does not know what i am talking about.

that seems pretty air tight. couldn't you also go to any gun store and have them run the background check. i think i read that the check is only $10 or so depending on the gun store.

erwos · Feb 24, 2010

GONZOtheMAN said:
that seems pretty air tight. couldn't you also go to any gun store and have them run the background check. i think i read that the check is only $10 or so depending on the gun store.

At that point, you may as well just go all the way and just have the gun store do the entire transfer.

EVOIXGSR · Feb 24, 2010

Just make sure the barrel is over 18"

novus collectus · Feb 24, 2010

GONZOtheMAN said:
that seems pretty air tight. couldn't you also go to any gun store and have them run the background check. i think i read that the check is only $10 or so depending on the gun store.

NICS checks are just for gun transfers through FFLs. If an FFL uses a NICS check for any other purpose they are breaking the law (or regulation?). As erwos said, may as well just let the FFL do the entire transfer in that case.

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