MSP Appeals to the Office of Administrative Hearings

Schipperke · Jan 12, 2019

Biggfoot44 said:
I read it as :

Ofc will always publicly follow the company line.
Expect that, don't use to subdiffirentiate in your outlook upon LE , be it generally supportive, generally distrustful, or somewhere in between .

That.

It's a real "cop out" , castigating the Troopers each with their derogatory nicknames that show to these hearings, (I've seen quite a few different ones) and then say , oh but I'm pro law enforcement.

welder516 said:
Sir ,

I am not sure what you are saying or what I read is we should just shut up and take it .

I can say the MSP troopers are clowns , at least the ones at the hearings and they can call me a clown .
I have at least some rights , unless the state wants to take that away from me as well . If they read what I post I am okay with it , I would tell them they same thing if we were to get into a conversation with them .

I will continue to fight the restrictions win or lose and I will call Frosh and anyone else a asshat .

nobody was harmed by this post .

Say whatever you like, it was just my view and not imposing it on anyone at all.

Not sure why some equate just going "meh it's what they do" and not piling on as surrendering. I just try to avoid cops and keep things simple. Getting mad at them doesn't really help me. They scuttled my overturn at HPRB too, but hey, it's what they do. All I can do is get back in line and try again, I guess that is surrendering.

swinokur · Jan 12, 2019

One of the great things about MDS is the great diversity of opinions on the forum.
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Joshua · Jan 12, 2019

But Hogan will save our second amendment rights !!!!

welder516 · Jan 12, 2019

Schipperke said:
That.

It's a real "cop out" , castigating the Troopers each with their derogatory nicknames that show to these hearings, (I've seen quite a few different ones) and then say , oh but I'm pro law enforcement.

Say whatever you like, it was just my view and not imposing it on anyone at all.

Not sure why some equate just going "meh it's what they do" and not piling on as surrendering. I just try to avoid cops and keep things simple. Getting mad at them doesn't really help me. They scuttled my overturn at HPRB too, but hey, it's what they do. All I can do is get back in line and try again, I guess that is surrendering.

We do have different opinions on the same topic , I would rather fight and prove they are wrong.
They may win the battle , but I still will win the war . I won't roll over because they are wrong and wrong don't give them any right to put me in my place for calling them asshats or clowns .

They can try to take a God given right from me to protect myself but that don't mean much to me .

I do agree with you on lots of things but this .

ironpony · Jan 12, 2019

Best bet is to be an attorney $
No offense meant.

rambling_one · Jan 12, 2019

A Hogan representative attended some hearings early in the first term. It’s assumed what he witnessed was shared with his boss. I don’t believe a rep has been in attendance since.

swinokur · Jan 12, 2019

In many meetings an AAG is in attendance.

Who do you think he reports to?

br3krj · Jan 12, 2019

MJD438 said:
Since you asked what the hell we (MSRPA) are doing - using strictly volunteer labor (actually, at the expense of using my PTO to be with my family), I spend hundreds of hours each month reviewing legislation, determining strategies for testimony to protect the 2A, and attempting to keep track of lawsuits at various levels. I am not a lawyer, just a passionate defender of the Constitution. I try to be as judicious as possible with the limited funds of our membership, frequently spending my own money in order to avoid depleting the organization's funds to accomplish a mostly thankless job.

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Mike OTDP · Jan 12, 2019

"Arbitrary and capricious" is precisely what we need for a 14th Amendment suit.

PJDiesel · Jan 12, 2019

swinokur said:
In many meetings an AAG is in attendance.

Who do you think he reports to?

Frosh?

swinokur · Jan 13, 2019

Quote:
swinokur

In many meetings an AAG is in attendance.

Who do you think he reports to?

PJDiesel said:
Frosh?

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lawdog89 · Jan 14, 2019

Moorvogi said:
Doesn't LEOSA grant it for life in all states?

Leosa does but if you want to work after retirement I don’t believe Leosa applies. I could and usually am wrong.

shmuel2004 · Jan 14, 2019

Was at an HPRB hearing last week. I got there early and overheard the troopers talking. They are going to appeal every case to the OAH. They said they were filing all the appeals from the 10/2 hearing this week.

swinokur · Jan 14, 2019

No surprise. Bowen said as much at a Court hearing.

The only winners are the lawyers and Frosh.

But I repeat myself

welder516 · Jan 14, 2019

shmuel2004 said:
Was at an HPRB hearing last week. I got there early and overheard the troopers talking. They are going to appeal every case to the OAH. They said they were filing all the appeals from the 10/2 hearing this week.

Yes , i be one of those caught up in the game of thrones , or maybe even hunger games .

But if someone with an open mind reviews such appeals not sure the state is making a good decision .
They will challenge a few cases , and open themselves up to other court proceedings and things being discovered as un-savory and illegal on what they are doing with the permit scheme and G&S with multiple layers after you reach one level they make new levels up .

I hope this bites them square on the balls

PJDiesel · Jan 14, 2019

shmuel2004 said:
Was at an HPRB hearing last week. I got there early and overheard the troopers talking. They are going to appeal every case to the OAH. They said they were filing all the appeals from the 10/2 hearing this week.

There's everyone's answer then I suppose....

I'm going to be caught up in the ********.

Essentially what its causing me to think (now) is that I'm going to need to hire a lawyer, ...which I didn't want to do.

welder516 · Jan 14, 2019

If you have a LLC , Corp or business a lawyer is required , it says it on the forms i received . Check with the OP of this thread and he will offer you some suggestions or PM me and i will offer you as well .

swinokur · Jan 14, 2019

PM Ed Hershon here on MDS

A competent attorney who gets it.

Or ed@hershonlegal.com

swinokur · Jan 14, 2019

It’s all designed to make you give up.

welder516 · Jan 14, 2019

swinokur said:
It’s all designed to make you give up.

^^^ This is the most honest single answer ^^^

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