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bkuether
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If you read some cruising sailboat forums, the consensus is that guns on board are a bad idea.
The rationale is that most boat raiding criminals are desperate and not blood thirsty killers. They want to "get by", and do so by liberating your property and leaving you more or less alone. (This is NOT applicable in Somalia, as they are professional pirates. Cruisers just stay away from that area. )
Shooting at them pisses them off, makes them mad, and more likely to then kill you.
In a sailboat you cannot outrun their powered boats.
The rationale is that most boat raiding criminals are desperate and not blood thirsty killers. They want to "get by", and do so by liberating your property and leaving you more or less alone. (This is NOT applicable in Somalia, as they are professional pirates. Cruisers just stay away from that area. )
Shooting at them pisses them off, makes them mad, and more likely to then kill you.
In a sailboat you cannot outrun their powered boats.
When my wife's grandfather would go overnight fishing (40 ft boat) in the Gulf of Mexico with his buddy, they would take 2 rifles (AR15's) and 2 pistols (1911's). They used 20 rd mags in the rifles for stowability and access. They were both avid hunters and fishermen. Their last trip was around 1999, so I have no idea the issues you would run into today doing this.
And thanks to socialism and all of its blessings, piracy is back off of Venezuala too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...zuelans-stalking-open-seas-economy-collapses/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...zuelans-stalking-open-seas-economy-collapses/
- Jan 31, 2009
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I just use a large magnet on the end of my fishing line and usually have good results.
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Whatever it would be, it should definitely be stainless, as some have already mentioned.
I'd be worried about rust. A shot gun sounds smart since even the worst libs aren't super anti shotgun.
Since we are talking about firearms and boats, what are the legal limits on guns on boats? I know that navel vessels have requirements for advance notification before making foreign port calls ( since they are fully armed) I have always been amazed that oil tankers have virtually no defenses and are routinely ransomed off the coast of countries like Somalia by pirates in small boats. Where is the distinguishing feature between a military vessel and a commercial vessel with arms aboard? is it a mounting system?
TheOriginalMexicanBob
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Every jurisdiction could be different. Offshore in Maryland it would likely be the US Coast Guard that has jurisdiction. Maryland inland waterways would probably be DNR. The Potomac between Maryland Virginia would be Maryland jurisdiction...off DC it would be DC jurisdiction. Other states might be similar with confusing jurisdictional lines. It could be very easy to run afoul of some state or federal laws unintentionally.
As far as ocean-going ships and commercial trade are concerned it might insurance regulations or by international agreements...or simply company policies.
As far as ocean-going ships and commercial trade are concerned it might insurance regulations or by international agreements...or simply company policies.
In the US if you have a head, ability to cook and sleeping area (v berth,cabin etc.) The same laws that pertain to your house apply to your boat.
If going into foreign waters most country's look very unfavorably about having firearms aboard. Research the country's laws or you could end up in the slammer. Not a good day.... This is why a lot of commercial vessels have no guns aboard but instead rely on a trained professional armed guards that are brought to the boat while in dangerous waters.
If going into foreign waters most country's look very unfavorably about having firearms aboard. Research the country's laws or you could end up in the slammer. Not a good day.... This is why a lot of commercial vessels have no guns aboard but instead rely on a trained professional armed guards that are brought to the boat while in dangerous waters.
I'd have a weapon on my boat. An AR10 and a shotty. I would also have the best built in hidden spot for them that would make a cartel drug runner jealous.
Taking firearms into a port in a different country is a no go. Hell, Federal Agents have to get country clearance permission and send serial numbers of weapons and round counts of ammo at least 45 days prior to going to that country. A Skipper just can't belly into port with them on vacation.
Taking firearms into a port in a different country is a no go. Hell, Federal Agents have to get country clearance permission and send serial numbers of weapons and round counts of ammo at least 45 days prior to going to that country. A Skipper just can't belly into port with them on vacation.
Careful. My understanding is that in Florida jurisdiction waters, a concealed compartment on a boat is a crime in and of itself.
I assume the saving grace is the armed professionals are registered in the country who's territorial waters are being transited. Yes?
I keep a Barret 50 Cal on on my 15 foot John boat.... Just in case.
They actually work off of a mother ship that is just outside of the territorial waters. When needed they are transported to the ship that needs protection. After seeing the ship thru the conflict area there are transported back to the mother ship to wait for the next assignment. They work so many weeks then take off for a period of time and repeat. From what I understand, as a contractor they make good money.
Juche90
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- May 10, 2014
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The US Flag Ocean Atlas has issues a few years back (2012) in Venezuela because of their small arms locker (couple M1A, few M9, few 12 gauge).
https://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2012/120906-ocean-atlas-seizure.htm
The Seaman Guard Ohio was seized by Indian authorities in 2013. That vessel was chartered by an outfit out of Virginia.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-seizes-us-maritime-security-ship-1381772377
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A lot of guns go overboard, but then they source them from that Port country, something like that. Sounds ridiculous. It was explained to me but I forgot exactly.
- Feb 4, 2013
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I would suspect a mother ship at each end of the normally traveled route. So one just north of Somalia and one just south.
Pick up at one end, drop off at the other. Ship going the other way does the same.
dreadpirate
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I had - what? 10 boat guns? They all went down with the boat 
Park ranger
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- Dec 6, 2015
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It was an m-1 garand that saved the day in JAWS.
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