77R Approval Wait Time

Squirrel Hunter said:

So I went back and found this on the application next to occupation. Dohh.

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Mark75H said:

I think the 7 days can only start over if the 77r is actually DISAPPROVED. A late Disapproval is a mess because they want you to return the gun if you have taken possession.

ETA: I had a 77r disapproved once because the FFL put an extra letter in the firearm model and it became a model not on the roster, fortunately I had not taken possession.

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dblas said:

There is no "start over" for the 7 days. It begins when the 77R is submitted, it ends on Day 7 per state statute. Anything else is a violation of state statute.

FFL are permitted to release a firearm on the 8th day without an reply back from MSP according state statute, and according to a federal lawsuit brought in 2013 against MSP, in which they advised that dealers could indeed do so under state statute.

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ArmedInMd said:

After my 77r was updated with an MDSP approved profession the date that it was submitted changed to that day. I'm guessing because it shows a later date for the submittal and that's why they hold it over the 7 days. I
t didn't seem right to me that there was no profession that was a disqualifier for ownership but if you don't phrase it an approved way then you are basically disapproved temporarily.

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ArmedInMd said:

Originally MDSP told me only the ffl could submit the change but my FFL seemed to disagree. Called back this morning and begged, the new person helped me out. They want the information updated but you can't do it yourself online. Plus they don't let the dealer know until about pickup date. I just don't understand how it can delay the pickup date if there is no answer that disapproves you. I wish they would they just called you and let you correct the answers and granted not disapproved.

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dblas said:

It doesn't. Under state statute, if the FFL doesn't receive a reply from MSP, then on the 8th day, they can release the firearm without issue to the buyer. If your FFL won't do that, then find a new FFL

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Squirrel Hunter said:

I called, putting self employed is not an acceptable career on the app. Had to resubmit, gun shop said I should have gotten an email from msp, which I didn't. I hate this state.

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ArmedInMd said:

I had the same thing happen to me and it's driving me crazy. I hate that I put an occupation but it wasn't descriptive enjoy so now I have to keep waiting.

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Slackdaddy said:

I have put "self employed" on every 77R, but last week I did not get my "Not Disapproved" email on the 8th day.
Turns out "self employed" is no longer a noble occupation with the MSP.
In fact, it is so low of an occupation that that don't bother to email you that there was an issue.

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BBestPawn said:

I think everyone should put "none of your fvcking business" as a response to occupation.



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Slackdaddy said:

So if a 77 is submitted on day "1",

On day "5" the MSP decides there is a field that need clarification (Occupation),
And does not notify the buyer or FFL via email, but does leave a note in the portal.

On day "8" the note is found by the buyer after logging in the portal looking for the missing "not disapproved notice"
The buyer or FFL update the field.
The original submittal entry disappears in the portal, a new submittle entry appears with day "8"s date as the submission date.

So, What is the legal release date of the firearm to the buyer? Day "16" ?

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zoostation said:

The whole thing just strikes me as a slippery slope. I'm thinking of a few departments in New Jersey that went so far as to start requiring credit checks on people who applied for a permit to purchase a firearm in their system. I believe that got stopped but it took someone to get a lawyer first. The purpose of the 77R application is to determine whether or not a person is legally eligible to own a regulated firearm. There's absolutely no statutory authority that I can think of to require someone to disclose their occupation since obviously occupation is not one of the requirements.

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zoostation said:

The whole thing just strikes me as a slippery slope. I'm thinking of a few departments in New Jersey that went so far as to start requiring credit checks on people who applied for a permit to purchase a firearm in their system. I believe that got stopped but it took someone to get a lawyer first. The purpose of the 77R application is to determine whether or not a person is legally eligible to own a regulated firearm. There's absolutely no statutory authority that I can think of to require someone to disclose their occupation since obviously occupation is not one of the requirements.

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Deep Thought said:

Perhaps they are expecting someone to put occupation: Felon. Lol . Beyond that I can't see why they'd ask. Slippery slope indeed, I wonder what they'll ask next.

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dblas said:

Per state statute, it's still day 8.

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BBestPawn said:

We've been seeing a lot of this recently. Customers who have bought lots of guns over the years are now getting their apps sent back because of occupation. It's not something we see when submitting the app, but we can update it on our end or have msp update it.

I have no idea why an occupation is any of their business or why it matters if you have a job or not.

Once the app is sent back, it's not processing any longer. It's in the pool, just like after the 77r had been created.

I think everyone should put "none of your fvcking business" as a response to occupation.



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Slackdaddy said:

So at this point,, the 8 days starts over??

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