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  • Norton

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    that's because us peasants have to work and have families to take care of. also not everyone has the luxury of being retired. plus I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.

    Quoted for irony.
     

    Schipperke

    Ultimate Member
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    Feb 19, 2013
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    Trump is still President..

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    Czechnologist

    Concerned Citizen
    Mar 9, 2016
    6,522
    All I know is, thank God somebody stepped-up to protect gun owners from a bakers dozen of fat chicks in yoga pants, wallering-around on the Capitol Lawn pretending to be dead. :rolleyes:
     

    DaemonAssassin

    Why should we Free BSD?
    Jun 14, 2012
    23,970
    Political refugee in WV
    The infighting and bickering over people that can't attend is showing we as a community are fractured. We need to stop the guilt trips and shaming of others that are unable to attend. We should be more understanding as to WHY those people are not able to attend, instead of shaming, guilt trips, and other negative responses. No one organization has a monopoly on activism in MD.

    We are a community. We need to start acting like it.
     

    Stoveman

    TV Personality
    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    27,986
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    All I know is, thank God somebody stepped-up to protect gun owners from a bakers dozen of fat chicks in yoga pants, wallering-around on the Capitol Lawn pretending to be dead. :rolleyes:



    Yeah, we all know that fat chicks in yoga pants and funny looking state senators with bad porn star moustaches don't ever get bad legislation passed.


    And former English teachers with bad leg tattoos don't help to get bump stocks banned and Red Flag bills passed in MD, that could never happen.


    How silly to stand up to these types of folks, they're harmless...
     

    Gryphon

    inveniam viam aut faciam
    Patriot Picket
    Mar 8, 2013
    6,993
    ... I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.

    Just doesn’t get it. :sad20: The PP doesn’t Protest. They are advocates for the rights enjoyed by the People - even those naive enough to think lunch is free.
     

    Schipperke

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 19, 2013
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    that's because us peasants have to work and have families to take care of. also not everyone has the luxury of being retired. plus I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.

    I'll attempt to make it not ironic, tone it down civil as I know how, that many gun owners find much of this sign waving and repetitive media engineering has no efficacy, and some (Hickock45) view it as counter productive. Now those that wave the signs and have conversations will never be convinced it doesn't work, nor the ones not showing up be convinced it's nothing but a spectacle. The numbers attending speak for itself. It's a free country, knock yourself out, but all the self promotion and thread bumps becomes a turn off to many.

    We have the best patriots among us, don’t we folks?

    Proud and grateful for your continued work!

    .. and I was dinged for being subtle?


    Lot of members here write fat checks for 2A legal work, which in my opinion is about the only productive venue for 2A rights considering Maryland legislature, and they do so w/o asking for a pat on the back. Members take time to train children and teens every weekend without asking for applause. I was at an event a week ago with many first time shooters (many older than late 40's) and an IP Gun Store owner here brought firearms to use, helping new shooters. Some other experienced shooters were doing RSO for the day. Why are some so adamant members must have a public CV of their 2A creds?

    Right from the get go yesterday, you have a few middle to upper age adults pitting themselves against High School kids? Punching down isn't very conducive for gaining support. There were hardly any kids there anyway. They'd have gotten less attention than they did if there wasn't a side show. Teens see the uninvited presence as a catalyst to keep complaining, not stop. Many teens are probably now realizing they're jumping the shark or just bored with it about now, and went to see the Caps parade instead.

    We've seen the SOS time after time. Big gun massacre and the gun control side gets traction. The FL kids to their credit, did a good marketing job at the opportune time. Appears to me, until another massacre, their traction has dropped immensely just as other epidemic gun control periods around shootings have in time.
     

    Stoveman

    TV Personality
    Patriot Picket
    Sep 2, 2013
    27,986
    Cuba on the Chesapeake
    I'll attempt to make it not ironic, tone it down civil as I know how, that many gun owners find much of this sign waving and repetitive media engineering has no efficacy, and some (Hickock45) view it as counter productive. Now those that wave the signs and have conversations will never be convinced it doesn't work, nor the ones not showing up be convinced it's nothing but a spectacle. The numbers attending speak for itself. It's a free country, knock yourself out, but all the self promotion and thread bumps becomes a turn off to many.



    .. and I was dinged for being subtle?


    Lot of members here write fat checks for 2A legal work, which in my opinion is about the only productive venue for 2A rights considering Maryland legislature, and they do so w/o asking for a pat on the back. Members take time to train children and teens every weekend without asking for applause. I was at an event a week ago with many first time shooters (many older than late 40's) and an IP Gun Store owner here brought firearms to use, helping new shooters. Some other experienced shooters were doing RSO for the day. Why are some so adamant members must have a public CV of their 2A creds?

    Right from the get go yesterday, you have a few middle to upper age adults pitting themselves against High School kids? Punching down isn't very conducive for gaining support. There were hardly any kids there anyway. They'd have gotten less attention than they did if there wasn't a side show. Teens see the uninvited presence as a catalyst to keep complaining, not stop. Many teens are probably now realizing they're jumping the shark or just bored with it about now, and went to see the Caps parade instead.

    We've seen the SOS time after time. Big gun massacre and the gun control side gets traction. The FL kids to their credit, did a good marketing job at the opportune time. Appears to me, until another massacre, their traction has dropped immensely just as other epidemic gun control periods around shootings have in time.



    What makes you think that those of us bohemians who wave signs and have conversations don't also stroke large checks to 2A organizations?

    Not everyone here has the disposable income that you or I might have and also might not have your view on the efficacy of sign waving or engaging the other side. When I want a decent review of a new pistol I might check in on Hickock 45 but as a YouTube gun reviewer he would not be the first person that I would look to for tips on activism. YMMV

    Many of us who attend PP events also mentor new shooters and there are multiple threads here on MDS that document just that and oftentimes not. Believe me when I say that you don't own that avenue.

    If you think that yesterday's event was all teenagers all the time you couldn't be more wrong. While the yutes were trotted out as the face of the die in old farts like you were pulling the strings and manning the checkbooks.

    You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the PP, I get that. You think holding a sign or an American flag is a waste of time and that's your right to think that way. Why you think it's acceptable to crap in the threads of those that do is what I don't get. Don't like it, start your own check writing thread where you post up some real time of you stroking those big ones to the SAF or the NRA. I promise I won't come into it and tell you all the D legislators the NRA supports.

    Post up some pics of your next Appleseed event and I swear I won't come into it and talk about peer pressure and how these youth are just going to be brainwashed in the public schools so why bother.

    What amazes me is that in a thread about roasted swine a few members post up why they are not going to attend and it's equal to sacrilege but people are free to lambast the PP and other activism threads as "stupid", "lame brained", "going to get people hurt" and on and on and that's acceptable.
     

    DaemonAssassin

    Why should we Free BSD?
    Jun 14, 2012
    23,970
    Political refugee in WV
    You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the PP, I get that. You think holding a sign or an American flag is a waste of time and that's your right to think that way. Why you think it's acceptable to crap in the threads of those that do is what I don't get.

    A lot of us don't like the organization, because of how it treats people that don't conform to what the organization wants. Furthermore, when somebody voices any kind of dissent, the leadership takes it as a personal offense and reacts in a heavy handed manner, instead of doing outreach to see what can be done to mitigate issues or attempt to bridge a gap. But instead they choose to burn bridges with people that are willing to help, but can't at a current moment in time or have valid concerns.


    Post up some pics of your next Appleseed event and I swear I won't come into it and talk about peer pressure and how these youth are just going to be brainwashed in the public schools so why bother.

    You won't go in there because it diesn't advance the organiztion at all, therefore it really isn't on your radar screen, unless there is a vendetta that members of the organization have against specific members.

    What amazes me is that in a thread about roasted swine a few members post up why they are not going to attend and it's equal to sacrilege but people are free to lambast the PP and other activism threads as "stupid", "lame brained", "going to get people hurt" and on and on and that's acceptable.

    And this is twisting the narrative at it's finest. The pig roast was held at a private establishment and the owner said NO FIREARMS, which they are well within their right to do so. People voiced their dissent and there was a cleanup in the thread by management. Stop trying to compare purple to potatoes.

    People don't lambast the organization, they call it out for the lunacy that it is pulling and the actions of the leadership of the organization. This has an easy solution for MDS and the PP. PP has to do outreach and be willing to engage people in civil discussions about why they have issues, instead of taking personal offense, as if they are being attacked. But over time, I have seen that the leadership is unwilling to speak to fellow MDS members to discuss concerns, without twisting the truth or selectively posting things to make the organization look good to those that don't keep track of how the leadership treats people.

    If you don't engage those of us you say are your fellow MDS members and friends, to help resolve the concerns we may have as individuals that might be on the fence about helping, you will lose more prospective members of the PP than you will ever know. Part of activism is outreach and being diplomatic, even in the face of absurdity, lunacy, and ignorance. Without that, the organization can not grow to be a force to be reckoned with.

    The organization is now at a turning point. It can either perform outreach with member of MDS that are on the fence and/or have concerns/issues, or it can push those people away and wither on the vine.

    The choice now belongs to the leadership. Choose wisely.
     

    DC-W

    Ultimate Member
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    Jan 23, 2013
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    Remember the night that 400 patriots came out in support of the two arrested founding members of the Patriot Picket and the 1st Amendment and Bill of Rights at large? I do. That sent shockwaves thru Annapolis and will leave the leadership there thinking twice about doing that again to not just the PP, but any group voicing their concerns there.

    The PP has made and is making history and most of its most active members still work for a living. Not everyone can participate in everything or even want to; that’s cool. What’s certainly appreciated is stepping out of one’s comfort zone and getting involved. In doing so, you’ll be rubbing shoulders with the likes of those named lawsuits against infringers (including MSI’s most recent cases), people who have served abroad, every day lovers of freedom and even Dick Heller from time to time.

    Personally, I’d not take back any of my time holding a sign with the PP nor do I have anything but respect for everyone involved. Those guys have taught (and still teach) me a lot. That’s not to say I’ve never agreed with every detail and thing the PP does, but no one here agrees with everything their own family does, let alone what rights organizations decide to do. Gotta see bigger picture.

    At the end of the day, do something. There’s nothing worse than a day wasted. Life is too short.
    Can’t hold a sign? Cut a check. Can’t testify in person? Send a letter. Can’t attend a rally? Share the event on Facebook. Can’t escape your desk? Make some good arguments in the Sun’s comment section. Can’t think of something else to do? Join an organization or start one yourself. Don’t want to do any of that, introduce shooting to someone who hasn’t done it.

    Any and all of that does more than any digital rock once could throw from behind their keyboard and screen. Going on and on in public about why one cannot or won’t do something instead of just doing any of the above or just moving on and letting well enough be doesn’t do anyone any justice.

    The enemies of freedom don’t sleep and this last session in Annapolis showed that in full force. It was the first time since I’ve been involved with any of this stuff that I’ve seen 2A supporters out numbered in hearings on gun bills. The Bloomberg supported groups were out in force. They brought out students and teachers. It’s surreal to see so many arguing against what free people can do, but there they are.

    Can’t stop the Bloomberg types and anti-gunners from doing what they do — of course not — but it behooves us to get involved, stay active, and get others involved too. Whether it be MSI, PP, MSRPA, NRA, GOA, SAF, etc etc and so on and so forth or just you on your own — get out there.

    Courage is contagious.
     

    Czechnologist

    Concerned Citizen
    Mar 9, 2016
    6,522
    Yeah, we all know that fat chicks in yoga pants and funny looking state senators with bad porn star moustaches don't ever get bad legislation passed.


    And former English teachers with bad leg tattoos don't help to get bump stocks banned and Red Flag bills passed in MD, that could never happen.


    How silly to stand up to these types of folks, they're harmless...

    Well, you said it, I didn't. But, by all means, keep up the 'great' work.

    Obviously, name-calling and using the same tactics as the groups you oppose is really working well to effect political change and recruit new members to your cause. :lol2:
     

    eruby

    Confederate Jew
    MDS Supporter
    that's because us peasants have to work and have families to take care of. also not everyone has the luxury of being retired. plus I don't see the point of protesting. its stupid and pointless. I have better things to do with my time. so while your standing out there looking stupid im sitting at home laughing at everyone or going to the shooting range. that's how it is.
    I thought I asked you to post an introduction, or at least go get your shine box. Fol-de-roll .....

    Bloody well said!!

    Right on DCW!

    Elsewhere on this thread seems like a lot of guilt oozing out.
    Guilt? Who is oozing?



    I have done more than some members. MANY members have done more than me.

    This guy snickers at this thread:

    :sad20:

    th
     

    Gryphon

    inveniam viam aut faciam
    Patriot Picket
    Mar 8, 2013
    6,993
    Thank you for the atomic truth bomb DC-W!

    I don’t think anyone is being called out for variations in logistics, time or other family commitments that may limit their ability to find a way - anyway - to contribute to the overall cause. But I don’t have a problem calling out those whose sole contribution is pissing on the efforts of others. So go to the range, joke, laugh at the efforts of others, or even create your own thread where you can yuk it up with like-minded naysayers. Oh, and trying to be the biggest prick on MDS to get a little attention isn’t contributing to the cause.
     

    Schipperke

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    Feb 19, 2013
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    What makes you think that those of us bohemians who wave signs and have conversations don't also stroke large checks to 2A organizations?

    Here we go wit the "you". Did I say otherwise? Oh yes we all know that too! Bohemians I know would be doing anything but making a public display or writing checks.

    Not everyone here has the disposable income that you or I might have and also might not have your view on the efficacy of sign waving or engaging the other side. When I want a decent review of a new pistol I might check in on Hickock 45 but as a YouTube gun reviewer he would not be the first person that I would look to for tips on activism. YMMV

    Not sure how anyone speculates what my disposable income is , and yes it was documented some find sign waving effective. It gets down to those who do not, are then characterized as 2A haters, antis, do nothings etc. by some active participants or supporters of the sidewalk advocates. OP opened the door why the low turnout, and there are many reasons, including some do not find it productive. When it comes to tips on activism, I guess a guy that does gun videos couldn't have a clue? What profession must one have for 2A activism tips to be remarkable? I honestly give no %&& whether it is effective or counter effective. There are many 2A supporters strongly animated against some of the displays and understand you won't believe or respect that.

    Many of us who attend PP events also mentor new shooters and there are multiple threads here on MDS that document just that and oftentimes not. Believe me when I say that you don't own that avenue.

    Again "you". Not sure where one reads or infers owning anything was claimed. Seriously, many people are not interested in public 2A credentials. Having to "own" activism points speaks volumes it is anything but selfless for some. Multiple threads of members letting the public know what they do for 2A, lots of good stuff. So yes, we already know sidewalk advocates are not nailed down to that exclusively. Seems pretty intuitive. There was no dis junction that people who attend small rallies don't do other things positive for the shooting sport. It's a Straw man argument, look over here.

    If you think that yesterday's event was all teenagers all the time you couldn't be more wrong. While the yutes were trotted out as the face of the die in old farts like you were pulling the strings and manning the checkbooks.

    Again with the "you". Really? You have no clue what a lot of old farts do.


    You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the PP, I get that. You think holding a sign or an American flag is a waste of time and that's your right to think that way. Why you think it's acceptable to crap in the threads of those that do is what I don't get. Don't like it, start your own check writing thread where you post up some real time of you stroking those big ones to the SAF or the NRA. I promise I won't come into it and tell you all the D legislators the NRA supports.

    No, no, no.. Some PP members, [not all] do not like anyone that question the degree of effect of the gatherings. Don't confuse not stroking something as disliking it. Some are just indifferent, don't seek being the center of attention or in the media. Which could be a reason some choose not to show. Some in the group see the PP as your with us or against us. So sure those type of members will not like people that don't post attaboys. There are rational and cordial PP members, without doubt. I spoke with some members at MOAR, then did what I wanted to do downtown. Some, the next day online criticize me for leaving, when I had never posted up being a crew member at all. I went to see what MOAR was, not hold a sign. So the message I got, don't speak to us if you're not with us. I went to a 2A rally recently, and spoke with a few people dawning PP gear. They know I'm not in to that thing, but are adults and doesn't bother them. We see eye to eye on the bigger picture, and just disagree on what type of activity is useful. I guess I can understand if one wishes to define their existence as Patriot Picket, the slightest critique is like insulting ones spouse. I've never been all the eggs in one basket type.

    Post up some pics of your next Appleseed event and I swear I won't come into it and talk about peer pressure and how these youth are just going to be brainwashed in the public schools so why bother.

    What amazes me is that in a thread about roasted swine a few members post up why they are not going to attend and it's equal to sacrilege but people are free to lambast the PP and other activism threads as "stupid", "lame brained", "going to get people hurt" and on and on and that's acceptable.

    2A protects 1A is the mantra posted often. So people not going to bbq can come in and vent against that venue, after it has been rung through wringer ad nausea, but any critique in a PP thread is "crapping on that", lmao. FWIW, didn't bother me people expressing their view why they weren't coming, but as you note some went ballistic. Pot meet kettle.
     

    Bikebreath

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    Jun 30, 2009
    14,836
    in the bowels of Baltimore
    Thank you for the atomic truth bomb DC-W!

    I don’t think anyone is being called out for variations in logistics, time or other family commitments that may limit their ability to find a way - anyway - to contribute to the overall cause. But I don’t have a problem calling out those whose sole contribution is pissing on the efforts of others. So go to the range, joke, laugh at the efforts of others, or even create your own thread where you can yuk it up with like-minded naysayers. Oh, and trying to be the biggest prick on MDS to get a little attention isn’t contributing to the cause.

    Oh my gawd! You see through their "fog" too.

    to your bold above It's as if they ignore the point, find a way that closely resembles something to bitch about and act all offended.I don't think one retired person chimed in, but it was full of whining working guys who wouldn't show up if there were free cake.

    In spite of all the whining, I think some retirees who are NOT posting have gotten a chance to see this call to action by all the nice bumping by the peanut gallery...and I thank you for that.
     

    Bikebreath

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    Jun 30, 2009
    14,836
    in the bowels of Baltimore
    Remember the night that 400 patriots came out in support of the two arrested founding members of the Patriot Picket and the 1st Amendment and Bill of Rights at large? I do. That sent shockwaves thru Annapolis and will leave the leadership there thinking twice about doing that again to not just the PP, but any group voicing their concerns there.

    The PP has made and is making history and most of its most active members still work for a living. Not everyone can participate in everything or even want to; that’s cool. What’s certainly appreciated is stepping out of one’s comfort zone and getting involved. In doing so, you’ll be rubbing shoulders with the likes of those named lawsuits against infringers (including MSI’s most recent cases), people who have served abroad, every day lovers of freedom and even Dick Heller from time to time.

    Personally, I’d not take back any of my time holding a sign with the PP nor do I have anything but respect for everyone involved. Those guys have taught (and still teach) me a lot. That’s not to say I’ve never agreed with every detail and thing the PP does, but no one here agrees with everything their own family does, let alone what rights organizations decide to do. Gotta see bigger picture.

    At the end of the day, do something. There’s nothing worse than a day wasted. Life is too short.
    Can’t hold a sign? Cut a check. Can’t testify in person? Send a letter. Can’t attend a rally? Share the event on Facebook. Can’t escape your desk? Make some good arguments in the Sun’s comment section. Can’t think of something else to do? Join an organization or start one yourself. Don’t want to do any of that, introduce shooting to someone who hasn’t done it.

    Any and all of that does more than any digital rock once could throw from behind their keyboard and screen. Going on and on in public about why one cannot or won’t do something instead of just doing any of the above or just moving on and letting well enough be doesn’t do anyone any justice.

    The enemies of freedom don’t sleep and this last session in Annapolis showed that in full force. It was the first time since I’ve been involved with any of this stuff that I’ve seen 2A supporters out numbered in hearings on gun bills. The Bloomberg supported groups were out in force. They brought out students and teachers. It’s surreal to see so many arguing against what free people can do, but there they are.

    Can’t stop the Bloomberg types and anti-gunners from doing what they do — of course not — but it behooves us to get involved, stay active, and get others involved too. Whether it be MSI, PP, MSRPA, NRA, GOA, SAF, etc etc and so on and so forth or just you on your own — get out there.

    Courage is contagious.

    *applause*
     

    Czechnologist

    Concerned Citizen
    Mar 9, 2016
    6,522
    Oh my gawd! You see through their "fog" too.

    to your bold above It's as if they ignore the point, find a way that closely resembles something to bitch about and act all offended.I don't think one retired person chimed in, but it was full of whining working guys who wouldn't show up if there were free cake.

    In spite of all the whining, I think some retirees who are NOT posting have gotten a chance to see this call to action by all the nice bumping by the peanut gallery...and I thank you for that.

    That's because your 'call to action' is basically nothing more than the typical PP harangue about lack of participation. Instead of looking in the mirror, though, and asking yourself, 'why aren't more people showing-up?' you, instead, take the low-road and accuse MDS members of not giving a shit as the reason.

    Hint: it isn't the reason.
     

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