MSP: FIREARM PURCHASE APPLICANTS WITH APPLICATIONS PENDING ON OCT 1 WON'T NEED HQL

Inigoes · Sep 25, 2013

hitwtom said:
Heard someone say yesterday you could go to VA or PA to retrieve your over capacity mags, ie. meet your FFL out of state and he hands you your mags.

That too...

It's easier to pick the mags up before 10/1.

frdfandc · Sep 25, 2013

jaybee said:
question:

you need to live fire to get a HQL

and you need a HQL to rent a gun

and if a gun is handed to you in training which you paid for, aren't you then renting a gun without having a HQL

politicans are the worst people to pick for passing laws

The HQL for renting of a handgun is for off premises only. Meaning if you rent a gun, take it away from the location of the rental, then bring it back. Kinda like how you rent yard equipment.

You can go to a range, rent a handgun at the range, shoot it at the range without the HQL.

frdfandc · Sep 25, 2013

hitwtom said:
Heard someone say yesterday you could go to VA or PA to retrieve your over capacity mags, ie. meet your FFL out of state and he hands you your mags.

I bought an AR back in June from a FFL in Delaware. It came with a 30 round PMAG. The AR was transferred to Ricks Gun & Pawn in Conowingo, MD.

I walked out of the Delaware FFL with the 30 round PMAG the day I bought the AR.

Speaking of which. I need to order 2 more CMI 20 round mags for my M1A.

fidelity · Sep 25, 2013

hitwtom said:
From the Washington Times http://communities.washingtontimes....aryland-lets-guns-walk-despite-upcoming-laws/

The whole article seems very spotty and jumps around a lot. No other comments for now, just throwing it out there

Wondering when the Onion is going it run with this story of MD law enforcement encouraging citizens to obtain handguns illegally.

On a different note, as stated upthread, it provides a chargeable offense for the AG or the MDSP in case they want to go after an FFL or firearms owner in the future and they have a record of a non HQL transfer post Sept 30.

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Boom Boom · Sep 25, 2013

hitwtom said:
Heard someone say yesterday you could go to VA or PA to retrieve your over capacity mags, ie. meet your FFL out of state and he hands you your mags.

On that note, I talked to a local shop owner yesterday regarding mags for post-10/1 purchases. It's still up in the air, of course, but I'm expecting a routine to fall into place where magazines ship to certain out of state shops for a fee where they can be picked up. It's annoying but better than living with sub-capacity mags.

fidelity said:
On a different note, as stated upthread, it provides a chargeable offense for the AG or the MDSP in case they want to go after an FFL or firearms owner in the future and they have a record of a non HQL transfer post Sept 30.

Doubtful. Them doing so immediately fast tracks fundamental issues of SB281 into the state and federal court systems in response to any prosecution. It's almost a guarantee they will let the pre-10/1 purchases slip through so as to avoid the fast track.

ShallNotInfringe · Sep 25, 2013

frdfandc said:
The HQL for renting of a handgun is for off premises only. Meaning if you rent a gun, take it away from the location of the rental, then bring it back. Kinda like how you rent yard equipment.

You can go to a range, rent a handgun at the range, shoot it at the range without the HQL.

Does a person receive the firearm when they rent it using the legal definition of receive per Blacks Law Dictionary?

ShallNotInfringe · Sep 25, 2013

K-Romulus said:
I'll take bets the anti-gunowner crowd will sue MSP over this turn of events.

Back in the 90's, CA DOJ was sued over extending the "assault weapons" registration window, and the antigunowners won. The CA extension was due to a backlog. Anyone who registered their firearms during the extension had them confiscated after the court ruling.

I am still puzzling out how such a court victory against MSP would play out. Maybe a court order to refuse post-10/1 77R forms that do not include the HQL info?

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Very pertinent, wow.

Found an article on this: http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/July98/072298d.htm

And more: http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1999/C...t-Weapons/id-ce8dd7f3c36cf40249aeeac19d927ad2

TopShelf · Sep 25, 2013

jaybee said:
interesting...........

no word from the law "makers" about the refusal of the law "enforcers" to follow their orders.

Could the head of the MSP be fired and possibly be brought to trial for refusal to follow orders and being an accomplice in a defined crime?

Does this sound like civil disobedience of the political law makers?

Omalley is silent - maybe he's on vacation and has "no comment"

Could be tough for Omalley to get out a word being that he has had a mouth full of MSP c*ck since yesterday. Just a theory, of course

occbrian said:
Also doesn't stop them from enforcing LATER. Everyone has heard about their quasi forced registration of non regulated rifles lately.

Read the release carefully. They say they aren't enforcing the law. They aren't disagreeing with the AG opinion, just they they will not enforce it.

Agreed! Not multi-quoting all the related quotes here. In summary, I think they could enforce later or another agency could enforce any time they want, and that includes 10.01. Pick up on October 1 without a HQL, and get pulled over on the way home...you could be f*cked. Just because MSP does not enforce, that does not mean you are not breaking the law! Am not a lawyer or LEO...just my opinion.

MigraineMan · Sep 25, 2013

So in addition to 2A infringement lawsuits from us radical factions of gun owners, the MSP can expect lawsuits from the Brady Bunch, et al, for not enforcing the law.

This is going to be entertaining, in a miserable sort of way.

TxAggie · Sep 25, 2013

MigraineMan said:
So in addition to 2A infringement lawsuits from us radical factions of gun owners, the MSP can expect lawsuits from the Brady Bunch, et al, for not enforcing the law.

This is going to be entertaining, in a miserable sort of way.

The idiot legislators brought it on themselves by not listening to reason. The really sad/ disgusting part if this is that none of them will face any penalties or repercussions for their actions.

freddie · Sep 25, 2013

Attorney general says it is a crime whether MSP chooses to arrest you or not.

One of those things that could come back to bite you in the ass.

Blacksmith101 · Sep 25, 2013

freddie said:
Attorney general says it is a crime whether MSP chooses to arrest you or not.

One of those things that could come back to bite you in the ass.

Is that a new statement by the AG or are you repeating the letter in response to Smiegle's query?

teratos · Sep 25, 2013

freddie said:
Attorney general says it is a crime whether MSP chooses to arrest you or not.

One of those things that could come back to bite you in the ass.

Blacksmith101 said:
Is that a new statement by the AG or are you repeating the letter in response to Smiegle's query?

Technically, it will be illegal to receive a handgun after 10/1 without a HQL. They are trying to avoid looking bad because you just can't get a HQL at this point, so can't purchase. In the end, they make it worse by telling people it is OK to break the law....

Inigoes · Sep 25, 2013

Blacksmith101 said:
Is that a new statement by the AG or are you repeating the letter in response to Smiegle's query?

Simple logic.

The MSP might not arrest someone now, but what is to stop them 6 months from now? The county or city police could arrest someone on the spot com 10/1 for receiving a handgun without a HQL.

teratos · Sep 25, 2013

Inigoes said:
Simple logic.

The MSP might not arrest someone now, but what is to stop them 6 months from now? The county or city police could arrest someone on the spot com 10/1 for receiving a handgun without a HQL.

This. In order for this process to be legal, the MDGA would have to pass a law which states it is legal. Otherwise, not so much.

CypherPunk · Sep 25, 2013

AFAIK, the only laws the police are required to enforce are domestic abuse laws.

The rest are subject to discretion.

If I'm wrong a LEO will be along shortly to correct me.

jaybee · Sep 25, 2013

Inigoes said:
Simple logic.

The MSP might not arrest someone now, but what is to stop them 6 months from now? The county or city police could arrest someone on the spot come 10/1 for receiving a handgun without a HQL.

gee, someone could set up this scenireo with a willing LEO and willing buyer

it is totally legal to arrest this wrong doer per the state of maryland
:innocent0

vector03 · Sep 25, 2013

And the

....they'll use the paperwork you sign and date when you pick up to hang you in court.

This image comes to mind.

Inigoes · Sep 25, 2013

jaybee said:
gee, someone could set up this scenireo with a willing LEO and willing buyer

it is totally legal to arrest this wrong doer per the state of maryland

It might be kind of hard finding a LEO that is willing to be sued...

Troublesbrewin · Sep 25, 2013

vector03 said:
And the ....they'll use the paperwork you sign and date when you pick up to hang you in court.

This image comes to mind.

The AG determine if and when charges are filed, they would have written documentation filed with the State Police incriminating the buyer and seller all wrapped up with a pretty little bow then they take you and all your guns for a nice ride.

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