Franklin armory reformation

ken792 · Jan 23, 2018

danb said:
Sure, I can have it. But whether I can hit anything with it is a different question.

I don't think a short barreled "shotgun" firearm with straight rifling is going to be any less inaccurate than an SBS with a tax stamp and a smoothbore.

They really should make this barrel for shotguns. That will let people do non tax stamp builds with the same performance.

danb · Jan 23, 2018

I can put rifled slugs in a smoothbore. Or sabots. comparatively accurate.

Maybe they should make rifled .308 bullets.

ken792 · Jan 23, 2018

danb said:
I can put rifled slugs in a smoothbore. Or sabots. comparatively accurate.

Maybe they should make rifled .308 bullets.

I don't think spiral rifled bullets would work so great in a straight rifled barrel.

AACo · Jan 23, 2018

Seems pretty interesting. Sounds like they will be selling the barrel individually as well.

StantonCree · Jan 23, 2018

He did not seem comfortable explaining that thing. Thank you for the video though! It's like a 2k HD rifle that does nothing a shotgun can't do.

They should have just called it the 1776

Fox123 · Jan 23, 2018

Possible fin stabilized specialty ammo in the future? Sounds expensive and why not just make a pistol?

danb · Jan 23, 2018

ken792 said:
I don't think spiral rifled bullets would work so great in a straight rifled barrel.

IDK, one time I put a rifled slug in my rifled slug gun, it was twice as accurate. A rifled bullet in a straight grooved barrel would at least be 1.5x more accurate, right?

tkd4life · Jan 23, 2018

danb said:
IDK, one time I put a rifled slug in my rifled slug gun, it was twice as accurate. A rifled bullet in a straight grooved barrel would at least be 1.5x more accurate, right?

Nope it would only be 3% more accurate.

jimbobborg · Jan 23, 2018

ken792 said:
It's a Nerf football.

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/201...eformation-straight-rifling-shoots-footballs/

That should be fun reloading.

StantonCree · Jan 23, 2018

So serious question.......what does this do that a 9mm Ar pistol build (with a brace) doesn’t?

I guess I’m kinda butt hurt and was expecting some innovation, not resorting to 200 yr old technology in a modern firearm. Not only does it fail to other options half its price point they exposed a raw Ndola (WTF AUTO CORRECT?!? Supposed to say RANDOM) loop hole that can be fixed with a pen stroke and they didn’t even circumvent it with gold like the pistol brace.

danb · Jan 23, 2018

Its not a "loophole"

Its a "why the **** would you do that" hole

StantonCree · Jan 23, 2018

danb said:
Its not a "loophole"

Its a "why the **** would you do that" hole

I feel like the hole you mentioned has more potential.....giggity......than this idea

AACo · Jan 23, 2018

mpdc4511 said:
He did not seem comfortable explaining that thing. Thank you for the video though! It's like a 2k HD rifle that does nothing a shotgun can't do.

They should have just called it the 1776

I agree. I think they have to be careful on how they word things when describing it. Very careful.

ohen cepel · Jan 23, 2018

If it was in .450 Bushmaster or something big I could maybe like it some. In 5.56 it is neat but little more than that.

jimbobborg · Jan 24, 2018

It is being offered in 300 Blackout first. At least according to the video.

And 4 MOA at 50 yards is 2". So better than 95% of the pistols out there.

I'm not spending $2000 on a rifle, but I will happily purchase the barrel from them. I'd like the 5.56 and 9mm version.

One last thing, it appears that if you want to build one of these, it will require a virgin lower.

danb · Jan 24, 2018

jimbobborg said:
And 4 MOA at 50 yards is 2". So better than 95% of the pistols out there.

Looks to me as though its only 4 moa at 50 yards with special ammo.

I do not think 4" moa at 50 yards is all that special. My daughter can shoot that with my 6" 686, and neither of us are very good.

tallen702 · Jan 24, 2018

Video I saw said 4MOA at 100yd with white-box off-the-shelf ammo.

Given that SBRs are really meant for CQB, that ain't bad.

alucard0822 · Jan 24, 2018

Remains to be seen what the real world accuracy is, and at least word on the street is the barrel was determined not to be rifled by the ATF, but they don't have a ruling on the completed firearm yet. Still can't go shorter than 11.5" or else it gets into AOW territory, so while better than 16", think the braced "pistol" will remain the best work around. The tech, and proof of how arcane and pointless the NFA is could be useful down the road though if we can muster a challenge to remove SBR/SBS from the NFA.

danb · Jan 24, 2018

This Daniel Defense pistol will also be about 2 grand, wont have to wait until 2019, and not a gimmick:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/ron-grobman/new-daniel-defense-v7p-ar-pistol/

Daniel Defense thinks that small will be big this year and has made their ARs even smaller, introducing the V7P AR Pistols in 5.56mm and 300BLK in a 10.3 in barrel.

The pistols features a law tactical folding folding stock with an SB brace.

Pretty sure this is the same as the current model they list, with a different brace.

DD even makes a factory SBR that meets MD OAL requirements: https://danieldefense.com/firearms/...as-system/daniel-defense-m4-carbine-300s.html

I am just not feeling any love for a $2,000 gimmick "rifle" to avoid a $200 stamp.

3paul10 · Jan 24, 2018

Not for me.

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