House Democrats to Introduce Bill Criminalizing Private Gun Sales: HR8

ironpony · Jan 6, 2019

What will it take to increase the size of the atf? Trump would look bad not to sign off on an increased budget for them. They are already making more rules for him so they may get perks just for that, budget wise. Follow the money.
If someone says they will not comply ... flags may fly, red that is.
GB

Allen65 · Jan 6, 2019

ironpony said:
What will it take to increase the size of the atf? Trump would look bad not to sign off on an increased budget for them. They are already making more rules for him so they may get perks just for that, budget wise. Follow the money.
If someone says they will not comply ... flags may fly, red that is.
GB

ATF's budget is noise even within its own Department's budget. Nobody other than a small number of pro and anti-2A advocates notices. ATF's budget isn't something that Ds can use in a campaign commercial, so I doubt it's on the D House Leadership's Top 500 Issues List.

adit · Jan 7, 2019

pcfixer said:
The ATF mostly likely will be over overwhelmed. Only meant currently for
firearms bought at FFL.
I'd think would require registration, also a non starter.

The FBI runs NICS, not the ATF.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jan 7, 2019

pcfixer said:
The ATF mostly likely will be over overwhelmed. Only meant currently for
firearms bought at FFL.
I'd think would require registration, also a non starter.

Nah. It can just be a system where you enter a buyer's info off his driver's license. The app either returns a "Proceed," "Denied" or "Hold and call for more info" or something like that.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jan 7, 2019

Inigoes said:
Screw that!

We want background checks on all registered voters!

I've been a fan of voting qualifications for a long time

pilot25 · Jan 8, 2019

TheOriginalMexicanBob said:
They're Democrats...they can't help themselves. Bigotry and taking away people's rights is in their DNA.

This will pass the House and Senate by large margins. Trump will sign it into law. All the polling of average people points to it passing.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jan 9, 2019

pilot25 said:
This will pass the House and Senate by large margins. Trump will sign it into law. All the polling of average people points to it passing.

Which is why I've said for years we need to compromise. Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

rbird7282 · Jan 9, 2019

GlocksAndPatriots said:
Which is why I've said for years we need to compromise. Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

First off, they would never agree to it. But let’s say they would, UBC’s in exchange for repeal of GCA ‘34, ‘68, ‘86, national reciprocity, and no more gun and/or magazine bans. See how they like that.

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Moorvogi · Jan 9, 2019

Doctor_M said:
Every time I hear the term "common sense" come or of a Liberal's mouth, I want to vomit.

This is why i say trump should rename "the wall" to "the common sense physical barrier".

haha someone told me i dont like the common sense gun laws because i have no common sense. See the above rename for the wall...

pilot25 · Jan 9, 2019

GlocksAndPatriots said:
Which is why I've said for years we need to compromise. Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

Careful. You wouldn't want to enter the world of compromise around here.

If more politicians thought like this the country would be in a better place. Problem is none of them want to compromise because then they wouldn't get reelected. As much as people say they want compromise they just want the other side to compromise.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Jan 9, 2019

The concept of "compromise" doesn't work when it comes to guns. Normally a compromise is where two parties each have something of value the other wants. After negotiations each side gives up something to get something in a deal both sides can live with. When it comes to guns it doesn't work...one side (us) has our firearms freedoms. The other side (them)...wants our rights but has nothing of value or substance to offer in return but promises (if that). They want us to compromise by giving up some of our rights...they give up nothing in return. It's an inequitable negotiation. If we compromise like that...our rights are gone after only a few consecutive negations and compromises....they have have lost nothing but gained everything.

Occam · Jan 9, 2019

GlocksAndPatriots said:
Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

Don't even head down that road unless you include the HPA while you're at it.

No compromising unless we get national reciprocity, over the counter suppressors, and federal preemption to force states like ours to act like most of the rest and stop infringing on the constitution. Then they can have a UBC which will, of course, do exactly nothing to stop criminals from passing around stolen or fraudulently purchased guns.

jbrown50 · Jan 9, 2019

GlocksAndPatriots said:
Which is why I've said for years we need to compromise. Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

Constitutional carry nationwide (you can legally possess the gun so you should be able to legally carry it) AND repeal the NFA and GCA 1968 (which includes the interstate transfer ban). No ammo, magazine, or magazine capacity limits for legal gun owners. No gun confiscations without due process. No AWBs or any other bans based on cosmetics or military association.

You want your UBCs ? Here ya' go.

GuitarmanNick · Jan 9, 2019

Some alleged Republicans have co-sponsored this tyrannical effort, too! Makes me sick of all politicians!

GlocksAndPatriots · Jan 9, 2019

rbird7282 said:
First off, they would never agree to it. But let’s say they would, UBC’s in exchange for repeal of GCA ‘34, ‘68, ‘86, national reciprocity, and no more gun and/or magazine bans. See how they like that.

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Works for me.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jan 9, 2019

jbrown50 said:
Constitutional carry nationwide (you can legally possess the gun so you should be able to legally carry it) AND repeal the NFA and GCA 1968 (which includes the interstate transfer ban). No ammo, magazine, or magazine capacity limits for legal gun owners. No gun confiscations without due process. No AWBs or any other bans based on cosmetics or military association.

You want your UBCs ? Here ya' go.

Sounds good to me. I'd even be okay with keeping the NFA rules provided that:

a) no $200 fee
b) maximum of 30 day to approve, no 12 month BS
c) no permission needed to move it out of state

Mr H · Jan 9, 2019

GuitarmanNick said:
Some alleged Republicans have co-sponsored this tyrannical effort, too! Makes me sick of all politicians!

Just proves they're more afraid of Bloombatters and the media than they believe in honest governance.

East2West · Jan 9, 2019

GlocksAndPatriots said:
Which is why I've said for years we need to compromise. Give them universal background checks, for free, from a smart phone in exchange for reciprocity and a repeal of the interstate transfer ban.

Where is the historical evidence that compromising has benefited gun rights advocates?

DaemonAssassin · Jan 10, 2019

3174 said:
Where is the historical evidence that compromising has benefited gun rights advocates?

FOPA 86.

Safe passage and prohibition of registry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiahrt_Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

swamplynx · Jan 10, 2019

3174 said:
Where is the historical evidence that compromising has benefited gun rights advocates?

And arguably the biggest (only?) federal gun rights bill in the last decade was the Credit Card Act, signed by Obama, giving us carry in National Parks.

I hate UBCs, because I see them as a back door to universal registration, and they will make you a straw purchaser if you loan your rifle to your buddy for the weekend, and him an illegal possessor. Yes, there is a way you could write the law to exclude those and other situations. But how the heck do you enforce it without keeping a perpetual database of the UBCs?

Even so. The train has left the station and I fear we have generally lost the argument against UBCs. We might as well get as much as we can, while we can.

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