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  • Not_an_outlaw

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 26, 2013
    4,679
    Prince Frederick, MD
    Well, I live an hour from the nearest range. Sometimes you just have to stop and get dinner or use the restroom.
     

    JohnnyE

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 18, 2013
    9,617
    MoCo
    Well, I live an hour from the nearest range. Sometimes you just have to stop and get dinner or use the restroom.

    I'm sure you'll be advised that you should have eaten before you left, or waited until you got home. Now, regarding the restroom...hold it?
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    :thumbsup:


    It is illegal to go 56 mph in a 55 mph zone.

    It is illegal to not come to a 100% stop at a stop sign.

    It is illegal to not declare the $26.47 won at the track on Lucky Dan in the third race at Riverside


    In today's climate and in MD? Really?
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,538
    SoMD / West PA
    Here is the text with regards to handguns:

    § 4-203.
    (a) (1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:

    (i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;

    (ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;

    (iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or

    (iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.

    (2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.

    (b) This section does not prohibit:

    (1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person's official equipment, and is:

    (i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;

    (ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;

    (iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;

    (iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;

    (v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or

    (vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff's deputy;

    (2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

    (3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector's gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;

    (6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;

    (7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:

    (i) in the course of employment;

    (ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and

    (iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment; or

    (8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle.

    (c) (1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to the penalties provided in this subsection.

    (2) If the person has not previously been convicted under this section, § 4-204 of this subtitle, or § 4-101 or § 4-102 of this title:

    (i) except as provided in item (ii) of this paragraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 30 days and not exceeding 3 years or a fine of not less than $250 and not exceeding $2,500 or both; or

    (ii) if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than 90 days.

    (3) (i) If the person has previously been convicted once under this section, § 4-204 of this subtitle, or § 4-101 or § 4-102 of this title:

    1. except as provided in item 2 of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 1 year and not exceeding 10 years; or

    2. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years.

    (ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.

    (4) (i) If the person has previously been convicted more than once under this section, § 4-204 of this subtitle, or § 4-101 or § 4-102 of this title, or of any combination of these crimes:

    1. except as provided in item (2) of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years; or

    2. A. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years; or

    B. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iv) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years.

    (ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.


    Where in the law you cite, is the word "directly"?

    OTOH, when travelling to and from the range, it is wise to not go to far off the beaten path.
     
    If you are a Designated Collector, you are allowed to stop, IIRC.

    Sort of...
    Being a "bona fide" collector with designated collector status gives additional reasons to travel with regulated firearms. A designated collector can take part or all of their collection to a location to display their collection.
    EX- At the MDS Eldersburg lunch, I used this exemption to allow me to legally travel from my home to AGC to shoot and then go to the lunch- where I showed part of my collection to a few fellow MDS members. With designated collector status, this was clearly legal.
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,309
    Carroll County
    Not going down this stupid road again.

    Don't add things to the law that aren't there.

    Fight BGOS.

    Do advanced search using keywords "transport" and "bona fide," user name Threeband. Not going to repeat myself.

    Enjoy your BGOS, just don't pass it on.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 26, 2013
    4,679
    Prince Frederick, MD
    Not going down this stupid road again.

    Don't add things to the law that aren't there.

    Fight BGOS.

    Do advanced search using keywords "transport" and "bona fide," user name Threeband. Not going to repeat myself.

    Enjoy your BGOS, just don't pass it on.

    If you know so much about this topic, why don't you post the link to the threads rather than make some condescending statement.
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    I just think knowing the anti gun fervor out there is so great that taking the risk stopping at the store after a range session isn't worth it.

    I wouldn't equate it with going over the speed limit a few miles an hour.

    I'm a bit more conservative in my thinking, I guess.
    Not understanding your question(s).
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    I can't argue anything. I'm not a lawyer. Nor do I want to be in court trying to explain the word directly to a judge when a three year minimum sentence and loss of career is hanging over my head.

    Just reading the text I wouldn't take a chance. Seems clear cut to me. However, like someone said it's clear this text (law) applies to handguns. The FAQ, I pulled off the MD site says firearm.

    Just providing info. Not telling anyone what to do or think. My opinion is it isn't worth the risk. Where I got my HQL, they recommended to always travel home with my range receipts so I can prove I'm going to and from.

    Where in the law you cite, is the word "directly"?

    OTOH, when travelling to and from the range, it is wise to not go to far off the beaten path.
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,538
    SoMD / West PA
    I can't argue anything. I'm not a lawyer.

    Just reading the text I wouldn't take a chance. Seems clear cut to me. However, like someone said it's clear this text (law) applies to handguns. The FAQ, I pulled off the MD site says firearm.

    Just providing info. Not telling anyone what to do or think. My opinion is it isn't worth the risk. Where I got my HQL, they recommended to always travel home with my range receipts so I can prove I'm going to and from.

    That is a common mistake. Laws are exactly as written. Do not add anything to them, like where you got them from.

    The next most common mistake is asking the MSP about anything firearm related. You can ask the same question on 30 different days, and get 30 different answers.

    When in doubt, go with what the law says in black and white.
     

    Not_an_outlaw

    Ultimate Member
    Patriot Picket
    Jan 26, 2013
    4,679
    Prince Frederick, MD
    It would be an interesting case if you had lots of money. I know of no such law, other than if you're on government business, that controls how you get from one place to another. To some it's actually impossible - for example if you don't have a car and rely on public transportation. Or, how do you transport if you only have a motorcycle or bicycle.

    What if the range is within walking distance? It's all just stupid. Try to reconcile this with "green" initiatives.

    Or, what if you have a two seat pickup truck? Do you just throw your stuff in the back?
     

    pilot25

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 13, 2016
    1,822
    You can ask the same question on 30 different days, and get 30 different answers.

    Exactly. Only matters what a judge thinks.

    Law looks specifically written to me in the eyes of a MD anti gun lawmaker which are plentiful.

    Life is full of risks. Is this one worth taking? Individual choice, I guess.
     

    Atrox88

    Gold Member
    Jan 7, 2016
    1,247
    Carroll County
    I just think knowing the anti gun fervor out there is so great that taking the risk stopping at the store after a range session isn't worth it.

    I don't think some folks understand how great that anti-gun fervor. The threat is real. The anti-gunners keep chipping away at our second amendment rights and the attack never ceases. The anti-gun community is uniting, getting stronger and smarter all the time while it seems that those who enjoy the fruits of the pro-gun industry sit back and allow this to happen with a myriad of excuses for why they don't step up, and a few do all the heavy lifting as usual.
     

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