Board member talking about violating restrictions. MSP states it does happen, that people are charged for being outside restrictions.
HPRB July 15, 2019 Meeting Thread
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MoCo lawyer asked Rossignol if they could talk offline about restrictions. He seems concerned but unaware of the power that the board has.
Bonell just brought up the arrest in OC for restrictions violation.
Bonell just brought up the arrest in OC for restrictions violation.
FFS why does every applicant keep bringing up the other permits that they have?
Um, Open Meetings Act?
These applicants REALLY could have used counsel.
And speaking of which, where has Ms Stouffer gone?
And speaking of which, where has Ms Stouffer gone?
Bam!
My Magic 8 Ball is tuned up. The next client just asked for a continuance to obtain counsel.
My Magic 8 Ball is tuned up. The next client just asked for a continuance to obtain counsel.
Last applicant. CCW in MD with restrictions. Works as financial advisor.
Judge asks where he works. (No sure why relevant)
Bringing up cases where financial adviser gets shot because investments go south. Second case is athlete. Example of football player threatening his financial advisor - wants him killed.
I work for the DoD and I bet there are millions of people that would like to kill some of us. We are targeted. There is proof of that. MSP enforces law. DoD enforces policy.
Applicant stating he could be hunted because of the loss of a client's fund.
He claims the MSP would not jack him up if he was coming home from a client's daughters graduation if he is armed. He's giving them too much credit.
Judge asks where he works. (No sure why relevant)
Bringing up cases where financial adviser gets shot because investments go south. Second case is athlete. Example of football player threatening his financial advisor - wants him killed.
I work for the DoD and I bet there are millions of people that would like to kill some of us. We are targeted. There is proof of that. MSP enforces law. DoD enforces policy.
Applicant stating he could be hunted because of the loss of a client's fund.
He claims the MSP would not jack him up if he was coming home from a client's daughters graduation if he is armed. He's giving them too much credit.
Not going to happen , buddy ...not this crew .
This is a new reality , nobody will get restrictions removed . Pure and simple , it will be interesting to see if having a lawyer would change that . I do not think so .
I am thinking they will get rid of board , go into OAH so all of that will be behind closed doors .
The layout of the OAH will not support open hearings barely enough room for 4 people and judge .
They are pushing this back underground .
It is strictly MSP opinions , nothing more nothing less .
It is whatever the MSP dictate .
The MSP don't understand it , but would know it if they seen it . And the board is clueless and shills for the state of Maryland .
It is a shame what Maryland is but in the next 5 years I will spend less time here and spend money elsewhere .
- Mar 22, 2019
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It’s bad enough that MD Democrats elect legislators to write purely subjective laws, useful over the decades of Democrat tyranny in limiting and even abolishing Second Amendment rights in the formerly “Free State.”
The intent of ambiguous and subjective MD laws is to pass the responsibility for interpreting them on to MD police, such as the members of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, whose only job should be limited to enforcing clearly written, objective laws.
Instead MSP tells us - - in their opinion - - what the law provides for. In the past, Maryland Democrats have literally begged MSP witnesses in MdGA Committee hearings on gun bill days to “Please tell us the laws you want.”
This grotesque obsequiousness to the MSP has given them ongoing permission to invent and “justify” good outcomes for themselves and their friends and degraded outcomes for good citizens, all to suit the corrupt Annapolis politics of the moment, because, subjectively, MSP can, by law.
Clearly written, objective, plain language laws are required to create shall-issue carry licensing, such as almost all states now have.
Maryland wrote subjective laws precisely so we can’t have that.
Maryland’s backwards laws are designed to generate and maintain uncertainty, fear, loss of rights, preferential treatment of elites, racial and class disparities and to promote the corruption that has always benefitted MD legislators-for-life and their donors.
The intent of ambiguous and subjective MD laws is to pass the responsibility for interpreting them on to MD police, such as the members of the Maryland State Police Licensing Division, whose only job should be limited to enforcing clearly written, objective laws.
Instead MSP tells us - - in their opinion - - what the law provides for. In the past, Maryland Democrats have literally begged MSP witnesses in MdGA Committee hearings on gun bill days to “Please tell us the laws you want.”
This grotesque obsequiousness to the MSP has given them ongoing permission to invent and “justify” good outcomes for themselves and their friends and degraded outcomes for good citizens, all to suit the corrupt Annapolis politics of the moment, because, subjectively, MSP can, by law.
Clearly written, objective, plain language laws are required to create shall-issue carry licensing, such as almost all states now have.
Maryland wrote subjective laws precisely so we can’t have that.
Maryland’s backwards laws are designed to generate and maintain uncertainty, fear, loss of rights, preferential treatment of elites, racial and class disparities and to promote the corruption that has always benefitted MD legislators-for-life and their donors.
- Mar 22, 2019
- 2,365
The Handgun Permit Review Board was created to advance that corruption by operating essentially in secret and giving white Democrat elites a second chance at a permit - - all others were turned away - - and this only became an issue when Democrats couldn’t control the Board anymore, and ordinary citizens received a fair and open hearing.
Maryland’s political obsession with feelings and beliefs, as opposed to reasoning and facts, was literally evident all the way back into 1972, when the Salisbury newspaper editorial below was written.
Notice how often those subjective words appear, along with the usual liberal longing for a Democrat urban utopia by burdening everyone, especially Marylander’s who weren’t shooting each other.
The dirty, corrupt, disgraced Gov. Marvin Mandel sponsored the bill and he and this 2A-violating bill get a pass because: “His motives are good.”
Maryland’s political obsession with feelings and beliefs, as opposed to reasoning and facts, was literally evident all the way back into 1972, when the Salisbury newspaper editorial below was written.
Notice how often those subjective words appear, along with the usual liberal longing for a Democrat urban utopia by burdening everyone, especially Marylander’s who weren’t shooting each other.
The dirty, corrupt, disgraced Gov. Marvin Mandel sponsored the bill and he and this 2A-violating bill get a pass because: “His motives are good.”
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