Hopkins Safe Storage Study- I call BS

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  • Melnic

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    Here is a DIFFERENT study where it shows the data.
    The data however is poorly presented. as it says percentage but then shows a decimal amount. In other words, it should have said percentage and then shown 2 instead of .02 to represent 2%

    https://mikethegunguy.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/miller-firearms-storage-practices.pdf

    Here is an excerpt from this OTHER study

    Eleven thousand five hundred and nine (11,509) people died from unintentional firearm injuries over the 10-year study period. The rate of unintentional firearm fatalities was 0.43 per 100,000 person-years and ranged from 0.05 (Rhode Island) to 2.37 (Alaska) per 100,000 person-years (Table 1).

    In 2002, 33% of Americans lived in households with firearms(10% in Hawaii to 63% in Wyoming),

    22% of whom lived in households with loaded guns (6% in North Dakota to 34% inTexas), a

    nd 13% of whom lived in households with guns that were loaded and unlocked (3% in Massachusetts to 22% in Alabama)

    So in this study, it shows roughly 40% of houses that had guns, had guns stored loaded and unlocked. But it does not show which had under age kids and any additional circumstances to the numbers.
     

    3rdRcn

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    Storing firearms safely is relative to your surroundings and circumstances imo. This is a study of what the people who did the study consider safe and most likely they know nothing about firearms.
     

    cantstop

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    Most "safe storage" concepts are based on the ability to render the firearms useless to the owner. The idea of weighing self protection requirements are never actually considered in these studies. When self protection is addressed it is written off as not-applicable to the study results or some other nonsense weasel words.
     

    Racer Doug14

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    That study probably has some merit. People need to store their firearm safely. Most of my pew pew friend have safes. If you live in the 'burbs you are playing with fire if you don't. The fact that it's a Hopkins/Bloomberg study means the polling is probably tainted towards their desired outcome.
     

    Redcobra

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    Study is flawed. Most hunters keep their unloaded cased shotgun in the closet when not using it. So not safe?
    Waterfowl hunters, do you have a safe for your duck guns?
     

    erwos

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    That study probably has some merit. People need to store their firearm safely. Most of my pew pew friend have safes. If you live in the 'burbs you are playing with fire if you don't.
    I agree with you, even if others don't.

    The fact that it's a Hopkins/Bloomberg study means the polling is probably tainted towards their desired outcome.
    Look, if that's the case, let's point out the actual flaws in the study, not just damn it by association... because the latter approach is not going to convince anyone of anything, at least not anyone we need to convince. And, unfortunately, the definition of safe storage in that study is not a flaw, at least not IMHO.
     

    3rdRcn

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    Look, if that's the case, let's point out the actual flaws in the study, not just damn it by association... because the latter approach is not going to convince anyone of anything, at least not anyone we need to convince. And, unfortunately, the definition of safe storage in that study is not a flaw, at least not IMHO.

    So how is their definition of safe gun storage applicable to everyone and there is no other safe way to store a firearm? That is like saying the definition the left has for an assault rifle is the only definition for a semi auto rifle and also makes it applicable to every semi auto rifle on the market.
     

    newmuzzleloader

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    Up until a few years ago Dad ( he would be termed a Fudd today) had his guns stored safely in soft cases in the front hallway closet. ALL 6 of us kids knew where they were and not once over the almost 40 yrs kids grew up in that house did they shoot any of us.
     

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