Trump expected to announce gun control

Furious George · Sep 15, 2019

ironpony said:
Does a background check have to list a firearm and serial number (for the national registry, I love hearing people say there is not one) or can he cut that part out?

The background check request does not include this data and successful backround check data is quickly purged.

However, in order to access the existing NICS system you have to be an FFL.

That means that while the firearm specifics are not part of the background check, they ARE recorded on the 4473 and in the FFL's acquisition and disposition records that must be kept for 20 years or turned over to the ATFE when the dealer goes out of business.

If you look at the House legislation it is very simple. It simply amends the law to prohibit any firearms transfers by non-licensees. It doesn't mention background checks but creates a system where you are required to use an FFL for a transfer. FFL's must conduct background checks.

It really looks like both sides are trying to tank this (all or nothing, etc.) rather than produce anything that will get enacted into law. They want this as an issue. If they get something passed, it goes away.

AACO_Salami · Sep 15, 2019

grimnar15 said:
Trump expected to announce gun control legislation this week. But the substance of it is a mystery. It better not be a ban!!!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-co...t-week-but-substance-is-a-mystery-2019-09-14/

Maybe you missed how many people in the state forgot Hogan's attack on our rights and voted for him.

John from MD · Sep 15, 2019

Reptile said:
The politics of the issue make anything he does a lose/lose for him. He's practical and will almost certainly come down on the side of planting a poison pill in any proposal. The ideal one would be valid voter ID.

That would be one help of a coup! The left will come down all over it and then he can campaign that they failed to support a gun control bill. :lol:

GTOGUNNER · Sep 15, 2019

A[Maryland]Farmer;5659133 said:
Maybe you missed how many people in the state forgot Hogan's attack on our rights and voted for him.

No, we all didn't vote for him. I sure didn't. As many others didn't. He became liberal enough that real not dead liberals voted for him.

rockstarr · Sep 15, 2019

A[Maryland]Farmer;5659133 said:
Maybe you missed how many people in the state forgot Hogan's attack on our rights and voted for him.

Nope- not all of us. He can go shit in a hat as far as I’m concerned.

rbird7282 · Sep 15, 2019

Reptile said:
The politics of the issue make anything he does a lose/lose for him. He's practical and will almost certainly come down on the side of planting a poison pill in any proposal. The ideal one would be valid voter ID.

and National CCW

lazarus · Sep 15, 2019

John from MD said:
That would be one help of a coup! The left will come down all over it and then he can campaign that they failed to support a gun control bill.

That’s the likely result. Dems want the house bill and nothing less. Republicans (at least enough) are paying lip service to doing something, but they are going to want it watered down more or some gun owner give aways. Dems are not going to go for that. There might be an 11th hour coup that gets it passed and Trump sign it, but I doubt it. I think Dems are going to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Doctor_M · Sep 16, 2019

Regarding the seizure and prosecutions around bump-stocks?....

Honestly, how many seizures and prosecutions have happened? I've not heard any numbers, but my guess is it has been very low... perhaps less than 100? There had to have been over 1,000,000 slide-fire/bump stock type items out there... and I believe there still are. Obviously the administration has made enforcement of this a very low priority (which is a good thing). If there were 1,000,000+ true full autos that got dumped on the black market, you can bet your petunias that we would be seeing a much harsher enforcement effort.

Nonetheless, the fact that this ban exists at all still chafes me royally. The administration had best tread carefully with any new restrictions or they will be unhappy with the number of their base that sits out the next election.

frogman68 · Sep 16, 2019

Hearing about a phone app for regular joes to still do FTF transfers with a NIC's check. I don't support that as it can be manipulated for evil. If the Democraps want UBC than Trump should accept nothing less than National Conceal Carry. Have a provision in it that states , All States must follow this law or the whole bill is dead , same with any court case any injunction (looking at the Clown 9 Circus) applies to the whole law.

We don't want UBC so let's make them not want it more

Ammo Jon · Sep 16, 2019

I hope the criminals and mentally insane pay attention to THESE new set of laws.

Don H · Sep 16, 2019

A[Maryland]Farmer;5659133 said:
Maybe you missed how many people in the state forgot Hogan's attack on our rights and voted for him.

Like there was a choice :sad20:

I voted for Lawn Chair Larry's father. :thumbsup:

TLL · Sep 16, 2019

A couple of Virgina small gun shows I went to in the past had a State Police Trooper available to run background checks for face to face sales on a volunteer basis.

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INMY01TA · Sep 16, 2019

rockstarr said:
Nope- not all of us. He can go shit in a hat as far as I’m concerned.

I didn’t vote for him either

alucard0822 · Sep 16, 2019

Trump doesn't normally do "expected", I think between some time passing and Beto's own "deplorables" speech to alienate most any moderate leaning twards our side, things have already shifted in our favor. I will be surprised if it's anything actually bad, probably some NICS reporting of existing prohibited persons thing, and possibly some good stuff to help reformed folks get off the permaban list.

kyserthehun · Sep 16, 2019

I'm going to have to panic-buy an MP5 clone soon, I can already tell.

MikeofMD · Sep 16, 2019

I haven't chimed in here for a long time. Excuse me if I'm not on the same plane that you are all on. But I had not known that only 9 states have background checks to buy a gun. What is wrong with a universal background check? I know that in MD I went through a stringent background check. These murders by licensed gun owners are beginning to worry me. Again, I'm all for the 2nd Amendment rights, just having second thoughts on how these folks pass through the system.

Doctor_M · Sep 16, 2019

Universal background check is a defacto gun registration, which is fundamental to gun confiscation.

Legal product and it shouldn't require a background check anymore so than buying a toaster, a car, or a gallon of gasoline. If you are too dangerous to be trusted with a firearm, you probably shouldn't be out in the general population.

Occam · Sep 16, 2019

MikeofMD said:
But I had not known that only 9 states have background checks to buy a gun.

Are you talking about handguns? A background check is required in EVERY state. Are you talking about buying firearm from a dealer or FFL? A background check is required for EVERY such transaction, in every state. Are you talking about criminals selling guns to each other? No, there's nothing in place for that beyond it being already illegal.

What is wrong with a universal background check?

Please define the particulars of what you think such a thing actually covers. Does your idea of a background check process involve you having to take your son or dad or sister to the police in order to loan them your duck gun for a weekend hunting trip? Does your idea of a background check include making a federal record of the make/model/serial number of each transaction's activity? If you haven't already thought all of that through, you're not ready to ask the rhetorical question of what's wrong with the way the Dems think this should go.

I know that in MD I went through a stringent background check.

Are you talking about while buying a .22 rifle? While getting your HQL? While getting carry permit?

These murders by licensed gun owners are beginning to worry me.

What sort of license are you referring to?

Again, I'm all for the 2nd Amendment rights, just having second thoughts on how these folks pass through the system.

When states like Maryland refuse to pass along information that would block a sale, people slip through. When states like Florida refuse to give people like the Parkland murderer a criminal record that would appear in a background check, despite years of criminal behavior, murderous people slip through.

calicojack · Sep 16, 2019

MikeofMD said:
I haven't chimed in here for a long time. Excuse me if I'm not on the same plane that you are all on. But I had not known that only 9 states have background checks to buy a gun. What is wrong with a universal background check? I know that in MD I went through a stringent background check. These murders by licensed gun owners are beginning to worry me. Again, I'm all for the 2nd Amendment rights, just having second thoughts on how these folks pass through the system.

What is wrong with a universal background check? Nothing if, and only if, you trust that the Feds will not use the information as a prerequisite for gun confiscation.

I think with the current climate, the Fed CANNOT be trusted and I therefore will not support universal mandatory gun registration (which is what this will amount to).

MikeofMD · Sep 16, 2019

I love my guns. I use them for target shooting and have my trusty F&N on my bedside. Are you saying that if a person feels that they are so unstable to own a gun, they shouldn't have one? Those are the folks that I am talking about.

Also, when the Gov't finds that there are reasons to ban certain firearms, they will continue their endeavors into banning other stuff. I think that most of these leftists don't even know what an assault rifle is. It would be interesting to question them by a demonstration of different styles of guns hand have them point out what real assaults rifles are.

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