Sun Article on ERPO Served in Pasadena

JohnMD1022 · Sep 7, 2019

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1841DNG · Sep 7, 2019

Abulg1972 said:
What do you propose? That they leave the guns at home and arrest the respondent until a court determines that he’s not a threat? Then you’d be crying about how that violated his rights. Seems to me that securing the guns for a short period of time is the much better alternative. Take “over ma dead body” away from the equation for a minute. I don’t see how any rational member of a civilized society can say that separating a potentially crazy and dangerous person from guns until a court can figure out whether he’s a danger is a bad thing. I just don’t get it.

Find me any scenario where a person is so dangerous that the Bill of Rights does not apply to them but they are OK to keep free with complete access to gas stations, hardware stores, and box truck rental facilities. Taking guns away is a minor inconvenience to someone hell bent on a terror attack. But it is OK we can have the pre crimes division punish you for no reason. And good luck getting your heirlooms and expensive property back in one piece without any abuse.

teratos · Sep 7, 2019

Abulg1972 said:
I don’t see how any rational member of a civilized society can say that separating a potentially crazy and dangerous person from guns until a court can figure out whether he’s a danger is a bad thing. I just don’t get it.

You are a statist. I can't figure out how anyone who values freedom can think this is a good thing. If you don't have the evidence to lock the person up, you don't have the evidence to suspend their civil rights.

I also can't figure out how any rational person thinks this will deter a person who is homicidal. You arrest the guns and leave the weapon free to kill.

whistlersmother · Sep 7, 2019

There are several statist on this site.

Mark75H · Sep 7, 2019

teratos said:
You are a statist. I can't figure out how anyone who values freedom can think this is a good thing. If you don't have the evidence to lock the person up, you don't have the evidence to suspend their civil rights.

I also can't figure out how any rational person thinks this will deter a person who is homicidal. You arrest the guns and leave the weapon free to kill.

Stop making sense

teratos · Sep 7, 2019

Mark75H said:
Stop making sense

Sorry. It irritates me that the guy only gets Abulg in his pants when stomping on civil rights.

jc1240 · Sep 7, 2019

teratos said:
You are a statist. I can't figure out how anyone who values freedom can think this is a good thing. If you don't have the evidence to lock the person up, you don't have the evidence to suspend their civil rights.

I also can't figure out how any rational person thinks this will deter a person who is homicidal. You arrest the guns and leave the weapon free to kill.

Excellent post, but especially the suspension of civil rights and leaving the weapon free to kill.

ironpony · Sep 8, 2019

If in jail w/no bail guns are still removed from residents of his home even if in a safe. Haha do they think a judge is going to set him free given the current atmosphere and county he is in? Common sense gun laws.
Antis got them self a great tool in this law.

pcfixer · Sep 8, 2019

teratos said:
You are a statist. I can't figure out how anyone who values freedom can think this is a good thing. If you don't have the evidence to lock the person up, you don't have the evidence to suspend their civil rights.

I also can't figure out how any rational person thinks this will deter a person who is homicidal. You arrest the guns and leave the weapon free to kill.

Very Well said. :thumbsup:

OMCHamlin · Sep 8, 2019

Rest easy, subjects of Maryland, you can be certain this is exactly what the red flag law proponents envisioned when they created this unholy abomination of a law. Thought control or gun control, it's all about control, baby...

Can this happen in Virginia? You bet your butt it can!

Stoveman · Sep 8, 2019

teratos said:
You are a statist. I can't figure out how anyone who values freedom can think this is a good thing. If you don't have the evidence to lock the person up, you don't have the evidence to suspend their civil rights.

I also can't figure out how any rational person thinks this will deter a person who is homicidal. You arrest the guns and leave the weapon free to kill.

We're up to our assholes in statist attorneys around here, can't swing a dead cat without hitting one.

:sad20:

dblas · Sep 8, 2019

Abulg1972 said:
I’m not confusing anything. I am lucid at the moment and know exactly the situation to which this thread relates.

The FBI, was NOT involved in the arrest of the Pasadena resident, nor were they involved in the requesting of the ERPO.

My information comes from a friend on AAPD, where does your information come from?

inkd · Sep 8, 2019

Abulg1972 said:
I’m not confusing anything. I am lucid at the moment and know exactly the situation to which this thread relates.

Then go ahead and post up a link to any news story anywhere that states the FBI was involved at all in this.

Because everything I found stated that the AACO PD were the ones who served it.

Stoveman · Sep 8, 2019

For what it's worth, member Ed Hershon and I were chatting up the AACo Chief of Police after the last Task Farce meeting and he told us that he is "a gun guy BUT he supports the red flag law" because it "keeps his officers safe".

And which county in MD has the most ERPO's served?

rbird7282 · Sep 8, 2019

whistlersmother said:
There are several statist on this site.

Sadly yes

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danb · Sep 8, 2019

Stoveman said:
For what it's worth, member Ed Hershon and I were chatting up the AACo Chief of Police after the last Task Farce meeting and he told us that he is "a gun guy BUT he supports the red flag law" because it "keeps his officers safe".

And which county in MD has the most ERPO's served?

"I'm a gun guy" so long as only police can carry, to keep officers safe obviously. :sarcasm:

ironpony · Sep 9, 2019

So the police chief is against due process.
The Chief of Police is against due process, for some reason that is not sinking in. Confusing.

pbharvey · Sep 9, 2019

Stoveman said:
For what it's worth, member Ed Hershon and I were chatting up the AACo Chief of Police after the last Task Farce meeting and he told us that he is "a gun guy BUT he supports the red flag law" because it "keeps his officers safe".

And which county in MD has the most ERPO's served?

AACO PD has 4 line of duty deaths.
A car accident, a heart attack, and two by gun shot. The gun shot deaths were in 1905 and 1915 and both by a revolver.

https://www.odmp.org/agency/110-anne-arundel-county-police-department-maryland

Facts > Feelings

fchan · Sep 11, 2019

over 40,000 automobile deaths per year, in the USA, and it is not a Constitutional Right!

ironpony · Sep 11, 2019

Trump is about to ban flavored ecigs due to five (5) deaths.

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