NH non-resident CCW rules invalid, says NH Supreme Court

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

Basically in 2013 NH changed its rules saying out of state applicants needed to have a permit from their home state. This was overturned by the state supreme court.

Plaintiff was Scott Bach, president of ANJRPC which is the state NRA organization. The court even acknowledged that residents of states like NJ would never be able to satisfy the requirement. Wow.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20160602/NEWS21/160609812&source=RSS

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

Nice, maybe someone will bring this up in Pennsylvania.

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

Buff7mm said:
Nice, maybe someone will bring this up in Pennsylvania.

The good news out of this is that you can apply for a NH non-resident permit by mail and carry in PA on that.

protegeV · Jun 2, 2016

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

Orals here:

http://www.courts.nh.gov/pastsessions/February16/20140721a.mp3

Dan Schmutter basically made the argument that since they allow open carry anyway, what is the harm in allowing licensed concealed carry?

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

ryan_j said:
The good news out of this is that you can apply for a NH non-resident permit by mail and carry in PA on that.

I'm pretty sure Pa. did away with that awhile ago, I used to be able to carry there on a my Florida and Virginia permits, now I think it's only like one non resident permit Pa. will accept. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

Buff7mm said:
I'm pretty sure Pa. did away with that awhile ago, I used to be able to carry there on a my Florida and Virginia permits, now I think it's only like one non resident permit Pa. will accept. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is incorrect. NH was still good. She did away with non-resident FL, VA, ID, UT and MS. Not the others.

swinokur · Jun 2, 2016

Yep TX and NH were the exceptions. I suspect AG Kane may move to invalidate the NH permit unless she can't legally do it. Luckily the signed reciprocity agreements doesn't limit the agreement to residents only. I still suspect Kane will try to pull something.

agreement attached.

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

Well that makes her ruling even stupider, letting you carry non resident on one permit and not another. I could see it if they didn't have reciprocity with the state's as a whole, but to allow a resident permit from Florida and not a non resident but allowing a non resident permit from NH is just crazy.

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

swinokur said:
Yep TX and NH were the exceptions. I suspect AG Kane may move to invalidate the NH permit unless she can't legally do it.

That's kind of where I was going, I was just off by 1

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

swinokur said:
Yep TX and NH were the exceptions. I suspect AG Kane may move to invalidate the NH permit unless she can't legally do it. Luckily the singed reciprocity agreements doesn't limit the agreement to residents only. I still suspect Kane will try to pull something.

agreement attached.

Hopefully all of her legal troubles will keep her occupied. She doesn't even have a law license now.

swinokur · Jun 2, 2016

Well you were required to take training in Texas so maybe that's why she didn't ban Texas. The other states would issue without you traveling to the state to get the training. Just a guess.

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

Ok so how much is the New Hampshire permit and what do I need to do to get one.
Yes I'm to lazy to search for it. :innocent0

ryan_j · Jun 2, 2016

Buff7mm said:
Ok so how much is the New Hampshire permit and what do I need to do to get one.

$100. Fill out a form, write a check and send it in.

I would wait until they update the rule though.

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/documents/dssp260.pdf

swinokur · Jun 2, 2016

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/plupr.html

press1280 · Jun 2, 2016

Have to see the opinion but from the article it sounds like it won't really help other cases, it's just a matter of a department overstepping their boundaries.

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

ryan_j said:
$100. Fill out a form, write a check and send it in.

I would wait until they update the rule though.

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/documents/dssp260.pdf

Page 2 of your link shows a need for a home state permit.

swinokur · Jun 2, 2016

That's because the Supreme Court just ruled against the rule. The form hasn't been changed yet to comply with the ruling.

BUFF7MM · Jun 2, 2016

swinokur said:
That's because the Supreme Court just ruled against the rule. The form hasn't been changed yet to comply with the ruling.

whoops, I guess I need to comprehend what I read a little better, and I haven't even started drinking yet.

swinokur · Jun 2, 2016

NH non-resident CCW rules invalid, says NH Supreme Court

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