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  • Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
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    An 06 FFL is required to make ammo, they're not even that hard to get, just a little more effort than an 03 C&R since you're not making retail firearms sales IIRC.
     

    BlueHeeler

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    Apr 28, 2010
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    An 06 FFL is required to make ammo, they're not even that hard to get, just a little more effort than an 03 C&R since you're not making retail firearms sales IIRC.

    You cannot get a 06 if you are a convicted felon like this guy. He knew the rules and he broke them.
     

    John from MD

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    May 12, 2005
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    The point is, normally this would result in a cease and desist order, not 13 months in jail. Hell, they don't even know if any bullets made by the guy were used by the sniper. They found a box with his name and address and fingerprints on bullets. He must have had a jerk for a lawyer who convinced him to accept the sentence. :sad20:

    In Bloodymore and Chi town, the murderers don't even get held.
     

    John from MD

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    You cannot get a 06 if you are a convicted felon like this guy. He knew the rules and he broke them.

    He was not a convicted felon until this happened. Not everyone knows when you need and FFL and when you don't. It's no different than people who sell cooked food at events. When noticed by and officer or county inspector, they are told to stop and get a business license.
     

    BlueHeeler

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    Apr 28, 2010
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    He was not a convicted felon until this happened. Not everyone knows when you need and FFL and when you don't. It's no different than people who sell cooked food at events. When noticed by and officer or county inspector, they are told to stop and get a business license.

    I read the article as, he can no longer possess ammunition or firearms because he is NOW a felon. As in, after pleaing to a BS situation.

    You are correct. My reading comprehension was wrong.
     

    lazarus

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    Jun 23, 2015
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    An 06 FFL is required to make ammo, they're not even that hard to get, just a little more effort than an 03 C&R since you're not making retail firearms sales IIRC.

    No, an FFL-06 is required if you are IN THE BUSINESS of making ammo. Last I checked, you could still make some rounds for a friend so long as you aren't exchanging money for it. You can absolutely make ammo for yourself. But the guy was churning out ammo and selling it at gun shows. Sounds like a business to me.

    Since no background check is required and only logs are required for AP ammo last I checked, so long as you aren't making AP (yes, I realize this guy was making AP) I don't see harm or foul in being a business without an FFL. No I am not advocating breaking the law, I just don't think that particular law makes sense.
     

    Kharn

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    Mar 9, 2008
    3,578
    Hazzard County
    No, an FFL-06 is required if you are IN THE BUSINESS of making ammo. Last I checked, you could still make some rounds for a friend so long as you aren't exchanging money for it. You can absolutely make ammo for yourself. But the guy was churning out ammo and selling it at gun shows. Sounds like a business to me.

    Since no background check is required and only logs are required for AP ammo last I checked, so long as you aren't making AP (yes, I realize this guy was making AP) I don't see harm or foul in being a business without an FFL. No I am not advocating breaking the law, I just don't think that particular law makes sense.

    I skipped the critical word "commercially."
     

    777GSOTB

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    Mar 23, 2014
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    The point is, normally this would result in a cease and desist order, not 13 months in jail. Hell, they don't even know if any bullets made by the guy were used by the sniper. They found a box with his name and address and fingerprints on bullets. He must have had a jerk for a lawyer who convinced him to accept the sentence. :sad20:

    In Bloodymore and Chi town, the murderers don't even get held.

    Marc Victor is really good at his job and no jerk. Most likely gave his client all the options. He was dead in the water with no license to sell ammo and with all the publicity, a fair trial was iffy. His client took what he thought was his best option.

    Marc has videos out on youtube.
     

    Kharn

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 9, 2008
    3,578
    Hazzard County
    No, an FFL-06 is required if you are IN THE BUSINESS of making ammo. Last I checked, you could still make some rounds for a friend so long as you aren't exchanging money for it. You can absolutely make ammo for yourself. But the guy was churning out ammo and selling it at gun shows. Sounds like a business to me.

    Since no background check is required and only logs are required for AP ammo last I checked, so long as you aren't making AP (yes, I realize this guy was making AP) I don't see harm or foul in being a business without an FFL. No I am not advocating breaking the law, I just don't think that particular law makes sense.

    I kind of see the opposite, from a consumer protection standpoint. I would prefer the ATF regulating who is making reloads for commercial sale so there is traceability to the source and the ability to prevent bad actors (or incompetent operators) from poisoning the well.
     
    I kind of see the opposite, from a consumer protection standpoint. I would prefer the ATF regulating who is making reloads for commercial sale so there is traceability to the source and the ability to prevent bad actors (or incompetent operators) from poisoning the well.

    A friend was reloading as a business a couple years ago. He had a casting machine to make the bullets. His insurance guy was nervous, if a gun were damaged, or a person hurt, as once the rounds were out in the wild, it would be nearly impossible to determine whether the round was reloaded by him or someone else once out of the box.

    He ended up having his corporate initials engraved on the dies, so when cast, his mark would be on the bullet base.

    I'm guessing the only way spent rounds loaded with jacketed, bought bullets would be fingerprints on the case. A box with name and number on it would be enough to prosecute for illegal manufacturing, but not for his rounds being used in the shooting.
     

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