Wow, it's bugging me. It's more than an issue. Do you think you have drawn on them if you were carrying?
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Wow, it's bugging me. It's more than an issue. Do you think you have drawn on them if you were carrying?
1100 Eager Street, there is a Johns Hopkins clinic. Across the street is a fairly new (built around 2004?) housing project, with a community pool. When I was there, they were dealing "open air" behind the pool house. A cabby called to me, by the color of my skin. How did I know he was talking to me? Because I was the only one of my skin color in the area. He asked me if I needed a ride, I told him I was waiting for the bus. His reply? "If you live that long". Suddenly, one of the crackheads came out from behind the pool house, walked up to me and asked me if I was "Five-Oh". I didn't say anything. I jst slid my hand down into my empty jacket, like I was grabbing at a weapon, and gave him "the look". He went back across the street, and before the rest of them could return, the bus showed up and took me away.
Bohlieve410
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- Feb 21, 2011
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I feel ya'lls pain....
I lived in Highlandtown which wasn't a warzone but not a walk in the park either.. went to Dundalk Community College because it was close and nice...then got blackmailed into going to Baltimore City Community College in Mandowmin because I wasn't a county resident and they jacked my tuition up like 100%..... I went from a liberal to a moderate/independent in about a week.
Anyone who's against CCW and self defense... I invite them to take a drive down North Avenue or north of Monument Street (my route to school). There were times I didn't even stop at stoplights or stop signs in those hoods!
I lived in Highlandtown which wasn't a warzone but not a walk in the park either.. went to Dundalk Community College because it was close and nice...then got blackmailed into going to Baltimore City Community College in Mandowmin because I wasn't a county resident and they jacked my tuition up like 100%..... I went from a liberal to a moderate/independent in about a week.
Anyone who's against CCW and self defense... I invite them to take a drive down North Avenue or north of Monument Street (my route to school). There were times I didn't even stop at stoplights or stop signs in those hoods!
Jason21237
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I have been in the absolute worst neighborhoods possible in both Baltimore and Dc at all hours of the night. At times I knew I was the only one who wasnt armed. As a white guy getting out of a tow truck to vin cars in these areas I knew I was walking around with a target on my back. I normally walked around like I owned the place and stayed very aware of who was where and doing what but its a very uncomfortable situation. I think our legislators should have to spend some time in those neighborhoods at 3am or so in the Summer time UNARMED and see how they begin to feel about the right to carry.
jac43k
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I was so complacent that day. I just picked up the truck that my wife and I were giving to our youngest son. It was Friday at 4PM raining, I wasn’t even paying attention to what was going on around me. I did learn my lesson. I purchased my first handgun after that. I carry it whenever I’m outside in my yard. Ever since that happened I am very aware of my surroundings. So I don’t think I would have been able to draw due to that they opened both doors at the same time and I had two guns pointed at me at once.
James
Goose Guy
Skooma lord
To me, an area with a bunch of really big buildings and no grass/trees is "the city". I remember seeing a big orange metal sign that said Baltimore, the stadiums, and going past Little Italy and then a little ways further. I think north of Fells Point. I like being out in the sticks
:Sorry to cause the threadjack, guys.
rob
DINO Extraordinaire
To get back on track...
We're waiting on Maryland's response on May 18th. Then the Judge Legg looks at everything. Then he rules on the case. Then the loser appeals.
...
Have I got it right?
Rob.
We're waiting on Maryland's response on May 18th. Then the Judge Legg looks at everything. Then he rules on the case. Then the loser appeals.
...
Have I got it right?
Rob.
I think something you may have missed about our legislators - they would be one "class" of people, that the MSP would approve - they are politically connected. They are not treated like common folks.
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
Pretty much. We may see an odd amicus or two; perhaps a "notice" of another case with something relevant. But that's about it.
I expect to see reverberations of Nordyke in Maryland's response. Utter BS that it is, they will use it.
krucam
Ultimate Member
I was thinking the same thing and its unfortunate that the good guys won't be able to rebut.
There isn't a whole lot of the bad from Nordyke that will translate here in a Carry case. MD may try to take the 'Substantial Burden' test somewhere, but they'll fail...
Patrick
MSI Executive Member
I'm thinking the whole 'strict scrutiny, even when it applies, does not have to prove compelling need because when guns are involved - the need to protect the people is automatically compelling' thingy...
Nordyke guts strict scrutiny, but only when guns are involved.
Keep in mind Maryland was suggesting carrying loaded assault weapons without a permit was an effective answer to intermediate scrutiny. Nordyke makes regulations presumptively lawful even under strict analysis.
Using Nordyke, they can craft an argument that regulation preventing handguns in the hands of the little people invokes a compelling interest. At that point, Nordyke's view of the second strict scrutiny prong - narrowly tailored - comes into play. Nordyke says the legislature is the right group to define "narrow". Once those are disposed of, that whole "least restrictive" mess becomes legal mumbo-jumbo.
Ahem.
It'll be up to our district court to decide if any of it matters.
Nordyke guts strict scrutiny, but only when guns are involved.
Keep in mind Maryland was suggesting carrying loaded assault weapons without a permit was an effective answer to intermediate scrutiny. Nordyke makes regulations presumptively lawful even under strict analysis.
Using Nordyke, they can craft an argument that regulation preventing handguns in the hands of the little people invokes a compelling interest. At that point, Nordyke's view of the second strict scrutiny prong - narrowly tailored - comes into play. Nordyke says the legislature is the right group to define "narrow". Once those are disposed of, that whole "least restrictive" mess becomes legal mumbo-jumbo.
Ahem.
It'll be up to our district court to decide if any of it matters.
Right2Carry
Active Member
I would ask the anti-gun funnel vision Maryland Delegates.
foxtrapper
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fightinbluhen51
"Quack Pot Call Honker"
- Oct 31, 2008
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Speaking of...
http://gunnuts.net/2011/05/03/so-you-think-your-gun-is-too-big-to-conceal-carry/
I don't think that's too big to conceal!
yellowsled
Retired C&R Addict
so you think they made their mind up on the paper #25, Def MSJ?
I'm confused,
Why the hearing?
Why the hearing?
krucam
Ultimate Member
As much as I'd like to believe "yes", probably not. It was all of the other SAF briefs as well, silly....
Don't forget the exciting Gansler brief we have to look forward to and Judge Legg should give a cursory look-see as well...
Is it too early to buy the champagne?
krucam
Ultimate Member
Hearing on the MSJ's after filings are complete, seriously sounds like a ruling is coming. IANAL...
We all thought July/August for a ruling regardless, this just appears to firm it.
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