If ATF's Ruling on Trusts Passes Tomorrow - What Do You Buy?

bm3r · Dec 8, 2015

Interested to know what your "last stand" will be? Purchases? Projects?

Im nearing the very end of my nfa purchases, honestly hoping to get ideas to waste more money :sad20:

The nfa market his been somewhat dry and prices seem to be holding steady - increasing incrementally over the past 3 years. What will you buy?

ericoak · Dec 9, 2015

MD has no problem getting CLEO sign off so most people on here shouldn't be that worried. Yet...

bm3r · Dec 9, 2015

ericoak said:
MD has no problem getting CLEO sign off so most people on here shouldn't be that worried. Yet...

I feel like it depends on the CLEO. I had such a tough time with Balto. Co. I gave up after several months of trying back in early 2013. I have heard great things from people who have personally dealt with the CLEO in Harford County.

ericoak · Dec 9, 2015

bm3r said:
I feel like it depends on the CLEO. I had such a tough time with Balto. Co. I gave up after several months of trying back in early 2013. I have heard great things from people who have personally dealt with the CLEO in Harford County.

MSP signs off for everyone.

dontpanic · Dec 9, 2015

bm3r said:
I feel like it depends on the CLEO. I had such a tough time with Balto. Co. I gave up after several months of trying back in early 2013. I have heard great things from people who have personally dealt with the CLEO in Harford County.

If your local CLEO will not sign off, MSP will. Don't give up. It might take a few extra weeks but they will aign off.

rico903 · Dec 9, 2015

ericoak said:
MSP signs off for everyone.

Which can take forever. Except for those lucky few who have a county sheriff that will sign off.

dontpanic · Dec 9, 2015

bm3r said:
Interested to know what your "last stand" will be? Purchases? Projects?

Im nearing the very end of my nfa purchases, honestly hoping to get ideas to waste more money

My last stand? Uzi...FNC...M16

The nfa market his been somewhat dry and prices seem to be holding steady - increasing incrementally over the past 3 years. What will you buy?

Also , what do you mean tomorrow? I heard no decisions would be made until at least 1/1/2016'

ericoak · Dec 9, 2015

rico903 said:
Which can take forever. Except for those lucky few who have a county sheriff that will sign off.

No reason to rush though.

bm3r · Dec 9, 2015

rico903 said:
Which can take forever. Except for those lucky few who have a county sheriff that will sign off.

+1

bm3r · Dec 9, 2015

dontpanic said:
Also , what do you mean tomorrow? I heard no decisions would be made until at least 1/1/2016'

"If"

Basically it is literally just around the corner

dontpanic · Dec 9, 2015

bm3r said:
"If"

Basically it is literally just around the corner

Gotcha. .

niftyvt · Dec 9, 2015

But its not just the CLEO sign off. . . you would need a fingerprint card and photos too for every trustee in the trust for every purchase. Its just adding more hoops, time and money to the process. Which is complete BS. This possibility caused me to not add any other trustees to my trust. Except I have everything in place to add some people to my trust if the rule doesn't get implemented.

Anyways, I got a trust last week and SBR'ed 3 of my rifles via the eForm 1.

The eForm was much simpler and quicker than I thought it was going to be.

Knuckles · Dec 9, 2015

Scott Adams (Cecil County Sheriff) signed off on my Form 4 for a suppressor in 2 Days back in September.
I think I paid $55 for Two(2) fingerprint cards from Inquiries in Easton, MD.
I got my Passport pics at CVS in 5 minutes for about $10 but I believe you can take & print your own to save a few bucks.

rsideout · Dec 9, 2015

ericoak said:
MSP signs off for everyone.

rico903 said:
Which can take forever.

My experience is that the MSP sign off averages about 3 - 5 weeks. There have been a few times when it ran out to 8 weeks, but that is not the norm.

ericoak · Dec 9, 2015

rsideout said:
My experience is that the MSP sign off averages about 3 - 5 weeks. There have been a few times when it ran out to 8 weeks, but that is not the norm.

You should just take the job part time and save everyone including yourself time.

sbmike · Dec 9, 2015

Just got my signoff back from MSP... five weeks to the day.

CrazySanMan · Dec 9, 2015

I had been planning on setting up a trust and getting some suppressors around March. If this rule passes, will there still be an advantage to create a trust or should I just make purchases as an individual? I was going to include my daughter in the trust, but she's an active duty Marine and getting her fingerprints and photo for each purchase would be damn near impossible.

MACTHEGUN · Dec 9, 2015

CrazySanMan said:
I had been planning on setting up a trust and getting some suppressors around March. If this rule passes, will there still be an advantage to create a trust or should I just make purchases as an individual? I was going to include my daughter in the trust, but she's an active duty Marine and getting her fingerprints and photo for each purchase would be damn near impossible.

She should be able to go to her ID card section on whatever base she's on and get that done fairly easily. Have her inquire, it's worth a shot (as that's what I'm going to do if/when push comes to shove).

Pinecone · Dec 9, 2015

CrazySanMan said:
I had been planning on setting up a trust and getting some suppressors around March. If this rule passes, will there still be an advantage to create a trust or should I just make purchases as an individual? I was going to include my daughter in the trust, but she's an active duty Marine and getting her fingerprints and photo for each purchase would be damn near impossible.

No one knows what the actual rule will be. BATFE has been tasked by Congress to "do something."

They could just require one time finger print, records check, picture for trustees. Or they could require it every application.

But no one knows right now.

The INTENT is to prevent people who should not have firearms (felons, etc) from being a trustee. Not that I think it has been a huge deal.

And, AFAIK, Congress did not provide any additional funding for this. So it is likely BATFE will not want to make it too hard on themselves.

spatchcock · Dec 9, 2015

What is going to possibly change about trusts? Should I be rushing out to start one?

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