Not likely, but someone in CA loves freedom.
http://www.guns.com/2017/02/16/cali...a23&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
http://www.guns.com/2017/02/16/cali...a23&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
CA Bill Introduces Shall-Issue.
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iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Shall Issue. 
In California.
In California.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
If they pass it out there, you know damn good and well we're next.
j_h_smith
Ultimate Member
- Jul 28, 2007
- 28,516
It wouldn't surprise me if we aren't one of the last to admit self defense is THE reason for CCW.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,169
Nobody thought Illinois would go before us.
HordesOfKailas
Still learning
Not necessarily. Why can't MD be home to the bluest libtards in all the land?
Spot on. I predict MD and NJ will be the last states forced to recognize our rights.
- Nov 14, 2010
- 20,274
BOTTOM LINE: A progressive cause is a progressive cause ...
There's more to Californication than 2A, in fact it's just a by-product of liberal/progressive mindlessness. The DemocRATs in PRofMD would no sooner abandon their gun-grabbing ways than they would suing Trump over becoming a sanctuary state. It's just different verse in the same song.
Stop thinking single issue. That's how the MDGA (and the entire DemocRAT Congress) got us into the mess we are in today. Beyond 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' work of passing loony liberal legislation, there has been massive coordination between fringe groups to bolster each other's cause.
Divide and Conquer. We fell for it ... as did 2A.
That was out self-preservation against Chiraq spreading ...
Wishful thinking on BOTH ...
Reverse Californication ? Surely you jest ... and don't call me Shirley.
Yeppers ...
There's more to Californication than 2A, in fact it's just a by-product of liberal/progressive mindlessness. The DemocRATs in PRofMD would no sooner abandon their gun-grabbing ways than they would suing Trump over becoming a sanctuary state. It's just different verse in the same song.
Stop thinking single issue. That's how the MDGA (and the entire DemocRAT Congress) got us into the mess we are in today. Beyond 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' work of passing loony liberal legislation, there has been massive coordination between fringe groups to bolster each other's cause.
Divide and Conquer. We fell for it ... as did 2A.
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That was due to the Moore decision, not because they necessarily wanted it.
I wouldn't like it shall issue, more like selective issue, if you are one of the people that have been waiting over a year for the review board to approve or deny you license.
Thanks. As long as the state can not deny an applicant without sufficient cause, then it's considered 'shall-issue'; and is listed this way in every website (including some antis) that I am aware of. But your point is well taken. Some also refer to 'permissive may-issue' like Delaware. Or 'highly restrictive may-issue' like NY, NJ, MD, and a few others. I'd consider IL ahead of MD now in the grand scheme of gun related legislation. To make a real difference here in MD, we will have to use the courts, or get rid of the Mike/Mike show at the state capital.
Noticed you have 47 posts already, congrats! When you get to 50 a new sub-forum will be visible called Water-Cooler; and you'll be able to sell stuff on MDShooters.
I'd say the odds are 7:4 against that happening without the SCOTUS making it so.
California
Candidate........Votes...............Pct.
Clinton(D)......7,362,490.......61.6%
Trump(R).......3,916,209.......32.8%
Johnson(L)........402,406........3.4%
Others.............. 273,212........2.3%
California
Candidate........Votes...............Pct.
Clinton(D)......7,362,490.......61.6%
Trump(R).......3,916,209.......32.8%
Johnson(L)........402,406........3.4%
Others.............. 273,212........2.3%
Southwest Chuck
A Calguns Interloper.. ;)
It's a fake Bill and not really Shall Issue. Not that it will pass, but ........They can still Deny based on the finding of "Good Moral Charactor" (or lack there-of).
Bad credit?
Multiple Parking tickets?
One of Trumps Deplorables?
FORGET IT !
Bad credit?
Multiple Parking tickets?
One of Trumps Deplorables?
FORGET IT !
Thanks. As long as the state can not deny an applicant without sufficient cause, then it's considered 'shall-issue'; and is listed this way in every website (including some antis) that I am aware of. But your point is well taken. Some also refer to 'permissive may-issue' like Delaware. Or 'highly restrictive may-issue' like NY, NJ, MD, and a few others. I'd consider IL ahead of MD now in the grand scheme of gun related legislation. To make a real difference here in MD, we will have to use the courts, or get rid of the Mike/Mike show at the state capital.
Noticed you have 47 posts already, congrats! When you get to 50 a new sub-forum will be visible called Water-Cooler; and you'll be able to sell stuff on MDShooters.
There have been a few that got denied at the board level, and had to appeal to the circuit court, and had their denial overturned. The problem is most of the board reviews come from one person, the sheriff of Cook County, and he basically files an objection to a application because their has been a contact card filled out on them.
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,169
So to make a reference closer to home for us here :
It sounds as if Cook Co Illinois in practice is similar to City of Philadelphia in practice. State law calls for Shall Issue, but large jurisdiction makes excessive overuse of. " Good Moral Character " language .
It sounds as if Cook Co Illinois in practice is similar to City of Philadelphia in practice. State law calls for Shall Issue, but large jurisdiction makes excessive overuse of. " Good Moral Character " language .
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