Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term

Hate is a very strong word. I try not to use it. I hate obama. I hate obama enough to go out of my way NOT to capitolize his name. Trivial yes, but that's the extent of it. I truly do hate this man. What did we do to deserve this? We let warm fuzzy ideas run rampant in this country. Well ok, in all fairness we didnt. The liberals did. But i can honestly say something. If he gets reelected, legally or illegally, this country will change forever. I know you've all heard this, but here it is again.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -George Washington in his first address to Congress

BlackBart said:

white guilt.

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Lol

No I don't' subscribe to white guilt.

gprimr1 said:

I was much more liberal in 2008 than I am now and if now I'm on the liberal tend of the MDS spectrum; you can imagine how scary I was.

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By the time you're 40 you might investigate http://www.jbs.org/

>ducking<

BlackBart said:

By the time you're 40 you might investigate http://www.jbs.org/

>ducking<

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Those are my initials!

And, I DO love my Birch beer!

jimsoden said:

Those are my initials!

And, I DO love my Birch beer!

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That's something I haven't had in a while.....IBC or something like that? Yeah, I liked it too!

jmcgonig said:

Sorry, I should why my terminology...

Religious Zealot to me is...
- Having no ability to understand pro-choice (not pro abortion, pro choice).
- Removing funding for good programs because you can't change the law (Planned parenthood)
- Attacking the right of a person to use birth control
- Attacking the the right of a person to be gay
- Attacks the way other religions live (the moderate ones at least)
- Ignores scientific fact on a whole host of subjects
- Host of other BS that escapes me for now
- Demonizes anyone that doesn't believe what they believe

Gun rights are important, but I'm not going to vote for someone that does the above just for that reason.

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If you turned the abortion and gay aspect around, you just described left-wing (D)s, socialists, and secular humanists to a "T", as they:

- Have no ability to understand pro-life
- Force funding for organizations that promote their agenda and abortion (e.g. Planned Parenthood)
- Attack the right of a person to raise their children to understand the value of life
- Force others to accept gays, etc., even if it is against their religious and moral convictions
- Attack any religious beliefs that don't agree with their socialist/secular-humanist worldview
- Ignore scientific fact on a whole host of subjects (e.g. "global warming", "endangered species", etc.)
- Host of other BS that can go on ad nauseum
- Demonizes anyone who does not believe what they believe (e.g. Rachel Maddow, Frank Lautenberg, Carolyn McCarthy, Keith Olberman, etc.)

Zealots on both sides are equivalently disturbed. Don't think that those on the left side of subjects are any less ideologically blinded than those on the right.

AliasNeo07 said:

There is a lot of fear mongering going on on both sides of the issue. Personally, and this is just me, I'm not overly concerned about an outright ban on firearms or another AWB because to do so, he would need the assistance of Congress, whether he does it via bill or his treaty. there are way more pro gun dems in Congress than there were when Clinton was in office, not to mention more Republicans now.

What I am more concerned about are the retiring supreme court justices...

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You better wake up. 4 of the current SCOTUS justices have already said the 2a does not give the right of gun ownership in thier written opinions relating to the Hellar case. 1 more just and our society is disarmed (except for the bad guys of course). This alone should be reason enough for ANYONE but Obama

jmcgonig said:

I'm amazed at some of these threads to think that Obama's secret plan is to ban all guns/turn us into socialist/etc... once he gets re-elected. My guess is that he has plenty of other problems to solve w/o getting into that. I haven't seen any of his actions that indicate he is anything more than a moderate with some liberal tendencies. No matter what you think about the health care or other things he has done, they were attempts at fixing things - some worked out, some didn't.

Most of this is just fear mongering because we can't find a fluent, educated conservative that doesn't sound more like a preacher than a politician. If we could find a conservative that would leave their views of how we should live out of the equation, they would be a very strong candidate. Half of the conservatives running now days sound more like Christian version of a Sharia Muslim.

Just my 2 cents. FWIW, I consider my self an independent. Some of the liberal ideas are good some of the conservative ideas of good. I like to pick and choose what I think is best instead of just responding to the party line.

-Jim

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He has already started.... Have a look;

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/12/t...-planning-a-second-term-attack-on-gun-rights/

Hynes57 said:

We this may get me zinged but that was an ignorant article. it was one man's opinion turned into "news". ...Of course Mr. LaPierre says this....its his job to! he can't go around and tell America a sitting Democrat is not going to take their guns. That could hurt recruitment! He cannot point out that a ton of the Dems in congress are gun lovers and would never allow our guns to get taken away. He can't alienate his political allies and especially not the industry leaders that send him kick backs every time an article by him scares the prices of ammo, guns, primers, etc...through the roof!(i had to add a little of my own tin hat to this thread too ).

Give me an article that shows ACTUAL movement by the government to take my guns. Actual movement that has a chance in heck of passing. Do not send me state moves as i do not disagree that some state idiots are running rough shod over our 2A rights. Stop posting faux news to get everyone fired up.

As for the comments about "Libtards".....Well...just remember that us middle of the road voters will determine the future of the nation. I may be more liberal on some issues and more conservative on others but i am an ally in the fight for gun rights and you are a fool to alienate those like me.

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Just remember.....those in the middle of the road get run over.

Bigfoot21075 said:

You better wake up. 4 of the current SCOTUS justices have already said the 2a does not give the right of gun ownership in thier written opinions relating to the Hellar case. 1 more just and our society is disarmed (except for the bad guys of course). This alone should be reason enough for ANYONE but Obama

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Did you even read what I wrote? I said the possible supreme court appointments concern me greatly.

todbiker said:

I don't agree with the current Presidents gun control views, but I did vote for him and more than likely will vote for him again the second term. If he loses this election, he could use his executive powers to throw a few parting shots like most of his predicessors, hopefully he won't do anything drastic with the 2A for the mere chance he could come back for another term at a later date, not having exhausted his 2 term limit. Regardless he is a man of conviction whether you agree with his health care legislation or not. Anyone who knows a person that has experienced a severe illness like cancer can appreciate health care that doesn't exclude you for having a pre existing condition. We're all required to have car insurance, why not give everyone access to health care. I keep my NRA membership active and try and contact local representatives when Md. gun legislation is involved. The NRA is much like a labor union, it's there to protect it's members rights, but where there's a lot of money, there's an interest in keeping it rolling in and keeping the board members in clover. Fear does equal money for those willing to exploit the situation like the NRA or a newspaper trying to keep it's readership up. With regards to the Supreme Court, we were all screwed when they decided to recognize the rights of corporations over people.

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Middle of the road? Are you kidding? You voted for that marxist and will again? You are on the far left shoulder my friend. WOW!

Countdown to thread lock.... ain't been here long, but long enough to see that coming.

Second Amendment said:

Middle of the road? Are you kidding? You voted for that marxist and will again? You are on the far left shoulder my friend. WOW!

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53% if voters (or whatever it was) are FAR LEFT?

I did the first time, will not again, but still....

I can help drive this thread into a ditch

The right-wing no-choice crowd are the american taliban who would remove a women's right to control her own body and ban contraceptives. These people who currently fight gender equality and sexual orientation are of the same ilk as those who were against equal rights for blacks and voting rights for women. I'm not an Obama fan but I wish he'd call out these people who think the renaissance was a mistake.

AliasNeo07 said:

53% if voters (or whatever it was) are FAR LEFT?

I did the first time, will not again, but still....

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HE is far left. I think that has been established. It was obvious to at least ME that he was at the very least, a socialist. Didn't his associations and voting record indicate that? How could that not be obvious? Did you want hope and change? Well, you got it!

clay_shooter said:

I can help drive this thread into a ditch

The right-wing no-choice crowd are the american taliban who would remove a women's right to control her own body and ban contraceptives. These people who currently fight gender equality and sexual orientation are of the same ilk as those who were against equal rights for blacks and voting rights for women. I'm not an Obama fan but I wish he'd call out these people who think the renaissance was a mistake.

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Far right, and far left, are equally ridiculous in their claims and positions. Those who foist "gender equality" and other discriminatory characteristics on society are no different than those who wear sheets and burn crosses. The only true measure of a equal society is that every member of it is treated equally, with no favoritism or preferential treatment for any, for any reasons or circumstances.

Both extremes play the culture and class warfare cards incredibly well, and cheerleaders on both sides do jumping jacks in support of "their" team, without realizing that they are simply chanting the same slogans with slightly different words as the other "team" is doing.

clay_shooter said:

I can help drive this thread into a ditch

The right-wing no-choice crowd are the american taliban who would remove a women's right to control her own body and ban contraceptives. These people who currently fight gender equality and sexual orientation are of the same ilk as those who were against equal rights for blacks and voting rights for women. I'm not an Obama fan but I wish he'd call out these people who think the renaissance was a mistake.

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Umm...get your history right. It was the DEMOCRATS that were largely against the integration of blacks in the 60's. Oh, and look up this one as well...the founder of planned parenthood is Margaret Sanger. Who was she? A eugenicist.

I don't have a tap into the 'mind' of BHO so I can't definitively state what he will do if given a second term. But I can look at what he's done and what he's said.

Consider the following:

-Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
-Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
-FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
-April 2008: "Bittergate" labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
-Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
-Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
-2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
-Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
-Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
-Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
-Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
-Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
-Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

reference: http://www.issues2000.org/Gun_Control.htm#Barack_Obama There are links that give details there...

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Barack Obama reportedly told Sarah Brady regarding gun control. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

"We need to make the expired Assault Weapon ban permanent."

Obama's history in support of strict gun control measures prior to becoming president makes it difficult for him to claim he's a Second Amendment champion, even though he signed a bill allowing people to take loaded guns into national parks. At the same time, he's apparently decided that his record backing gun safety is nothing to boast of either, perhaps because of the power of the gun lobby and their opposition to anything smacking of gun control...."Gun control is a fight that the administration is not willing to pick. They're not likely to win it," said Harry Wilson, author of a book on gun politics and director of the Institute for Policy and Opinion Research at Roanoke College in Virginia. "They certainly would not win it in Congress, and it's not likely to be a winner at the polls. ... It comes down to one pretty simple word: Politics."



From Huffington Post (no, I don't read it but found it via google)

There are many more suspicious acts and quotes...from Fast/furious to his SC justice picks.

Bottom line...his history, writings, quotes, and actions suggest that a second BHO term will be risky, at best, for future 2A freedom...
And I wouldn't rely on a Republican Congress/Senate (assuming one or both stays/turns R) to protect your 2A rights as BHO frequently issues executive orders effectively bypassing congressional authority.

HomicidalNun said:

Hate is a very strong word. I try not to use it. I hate obama. I hate obama enough to go out of my way NOT to capitolize his name. Trivial yes, but that's the extent of it. I truly do hate this man. What did we do to deserve this? We let warm fuzzy ideas run rampant in this country. Well ok, in all fairness we didnt. The liberals did. But i can honestly say something. If he gets reelected, legally or illegally, this country will change forever. I know you've all heard this, but here it is again.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -George Washington in his first address to Congress

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I only refer to him as hussain.