PapiBarcelona
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- Jan 1, 2011
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Meeting AR15 HBAR Requirement on Gunbroker
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CodeWarrior1241
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Is the upper advertised as HBAR here legal for MD? https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-l...=UxNHUYZDb9KKZ6VnVv41XCSoGJTCXDiOI4i03Qmzha4=
It's advertised as HBAR by the seller, who is not the manufacturer of the barrel. I'm aware of the 14.5" implication, assume I'd pin and weld a muzzle device.
It's advertised as HBAR by the seller, who is not the manufacturer of the barrel. I'm aware of the 14.5" implication, assume I'd pin and weld a muzzle device.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,999
hahaha
From what I heard.....and would need one of those 100 round drums for continuous shooting. hahaha sorry. up all night doing work.
I'm beginning to wonder about you babalou...
From what I heard.....and would need one of those 100 round drums for continuous shooting. hahaha sorry. up all night doing work.cessnapilot
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I’m just curious... what would keep someone from ordering any random barrel (not marked or advertised as an hbar barrel) and engraving hbar on it themselves? And since there is no definition of “hbar” in law would your self engraved barrel now be legal as part of a rifle build?
While this is a generally accepted definition of an HBAR, this is not the definition that MSP uses and therefore is not useful for determining if your rifle is MD compliant.
The definition MSP carries is that the rifle is sold, marketed/advertised, or the barrel is stamped as HBAR or Heavy Barrel.
This is also why some "SPR profile" barrels are not technically compliant, despite having a true HBAR profile.
Profile is irrelevant here - so long as the barrel is stamped or there is language in the receipt or product listing as a HBAR or Heavy Barrel
Criterion will provide the same service. One quick call to their contact number and you'll be good to go.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Incorrect. When asked, MSP replied that they don't know, but it would be helpful if it was marked or advertised as HBAR. But then again a MSP advisory is not legally binding.
See above.
The law says HBAR, correct.
MSP creating regulations, through agency fiat, is how we got the live fire "requirement" for the HQL, even though that isn't in the law.
Their "INTERPRETATION" makes their life easier, because for people to comply with no fear, they must do what MSP says, but then again, MSP can change their mind and say that the only HBAR allowed out there is one with a barrel of 2.843" and then what are you going to do? By making up a random diameter, they just banned all those AR's going back to 2013.
You want to see what happens when an agency "interprets and creates regulations" that are not part of the law? Take a look at the EPA and the ATF. Specifically, lets look at the ATF in regards to NFA. In NFA 1934, show me where it says that I must include my fingerprints, a RPQ, and a photo of myself, when submitting a Form 1 or a Form 4. I'll save you the time and effort on this one. You won't find it in the law. It was a agency created regulation and interpretation, that puts hurdles up in front of the citizen from engaging in lawful activities.
When you bend over and take it from a government agency, they will continue to try to shove it in farther and deeper, till you can't take it anymore and frag out.
Oh, how are you supposed to file a lawsuit against an agency that has something as a advisory, yet it isn't codified in the law?
Again, you do not need to prove that it is HBAR for it to be legal. MSP has said the banned firearms list is not legally binding. The HBAR advisory they released is not legally binding, either.
SPR barrels are HBAR with the proper profile, because the HBAR aspect is from the chamber to the gas block journal. Forward of the gas block doesn't matter. Look at the barrel of a Colt Sporter HBAR to see what I'm talking about.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,999
That's one hell of a turd you just dropped into the punch bowl DA...
DA - I agree with you and believe you are correct.
However, if one is to take heed of the MSP guidelines/ advisory, then it may behoove an individual to stay strictly within their definition of it being explicitly marked or sold/ described in the product listing as an HBAR or Heavy profile, actual profile being irrelevant.
- Jul 29, 2014
- 49,999
Yes. And you still acquiesce to that requirement, so?
Let's not forget, the OPs question was in regards to whether or not he could purchase the aforementioned rifle from Md.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
That's one hell of a turd you just dropped into the punch bowl DA...
Somebody has to be the one that stands up and refutes the "The law says stamped or marketed as HBAR or heavy barrel". If nobody stands up and refutes it, it becomes part of BGOS, because it is the law that we placed on ourselves, therefore allowing agencies to further infringe on our rights, just by issuing advisories, because those advisories become "law" because we blindly follow the advisories as if they were law, in order to maintain a unachievable level of compliance with regards to an agency that is intent on infringing on the rights.
Personally IDGAF about MSP and their REQUEST for it to be marked or advertised as HBAR or heavy barrel, because the burden of proof is on them to clearly define what a heavy barrel is, according to the law. Short version, is they can't prove a .745 from the chamber to the journal isn't a HBAR, because a HBAR is a consistent diameter from the chamber to the journal. The banned profiles taper down to pencil profile under than handguard and taper up to the journal.
Not banned profile, because it maintains the same diameter from the chamber to the journal.
Banned, due to the taper under the handguard.
Further images in this post about what is and isn't MD legal, based on their "guidance" to us.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5415635&postcount=55
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
In following their guidance, which essentially over time become "the law" through restrictions we place on ourselves, you place yourself in further jeopardy, with new "guidance" that comes out. It is a cyclical cycle of trying to comply with the most asinine "guidance" to maintain mythical compliance, with something that isn't codified in the law.
Real easy here. Go as far as you think you need to be compliant with the law, and no farther.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
I do, because nobody has had the stones to challenge that aspect of the regulations that the ATF created. It is my sincere prayer that suppressors, SBR's, and SBS's are removed from NFA in the future. But if this is the price I have to pay for Little DA to have a hearing safety device, then I will take the hit for him.
Meanwhile, the HQL lawsuit and the AWB in MD are being challenged, via the courts.
Somebody has to be the one that stands up and refutes the "The law says stamped or marketed as HBAR or heavy barrel". If nobody stands up and refutes it, it becomes part of BGOS, because it is the law that we placed on ourselves, therefore allowing agencies to further infringe on our rights, just by issuing advisories, because those advisories become "law" because we blindly follow the advisories as if they were law, in order to maintain a unachievable level of compliance with regards to an agency that is intent on infringing on the rights.
Personally IDGAF about MSP and their REQUEST for it to be marked or advertised as HBAR or heavy barrel, because the burden of proof is on them to clearly define what a heavy barrel is, according to the law. Short version, is they can't prove a .745 from the chamber to the journal isn't a HBAR, because a HBAR is a consistent diameter from the chamber to the journal. The banned profiles taper down to pencil profile under than handguard and taper up to the journal.
Not banned profile, because it maintains the same diameter from the chamber to the journal.
Banned, due to the taper under the handguard.
Further images in this post about what is and isn't MD legal, based on their "guidance" to us.
https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5415635&postcount=55
That makes sense. The entire barrel profile business is horseshit anyway. I'm just sitting here wondering what combination of bad luck and bad choices would lead me to a point where I'm watching a State Trooper come at my AR with a micrometer in his hand. I have to believe that I was pretty well screwed long before that took place.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Bear in mind one thing. The KAK Value Line 556 barrels by dimensions, do qualify as HBAR. I've run calipers over many of them and they are .745 consistently from the chamber to the journal.
Marylander's can change things, if we all band together to show that they can't make up requirements that were unobtainable when the advisory was released, yet are still an infringement to this day for people that don't know better.
Supposed reason is that markings or advertisements make it an HBAR clone.
CodeWarrior1241
Active Member
You guys are killing me.
What is the advertising requirement? Is it being advertised by the dealer/retailer/assembler or by the barrel manufacturer that matters in the current interpretation of the law?
What is the advertising requirement? Is it being advertised by the dealer/retailer/assembler or by the barrel manufacturer that matters in the current interpretation of the law?
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