Go Back   Maryland Shooters > Gun Rights and Legislation > National 2A Issues
Don't Have An Account? Register Here

Join MD Shooters
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 21st, 2021, 05:38 AM #501
motorcoachdoug's Avatar
motorcoachdoug motorcoachdoug is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: In Comminuest Monkey Cnty,In the NON Free state of Marylandstine
Posts: 3,609
motorcoachdoug motorcoachdoug is offline
Senior Member
motorcoachdoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: In Comminuest Monkey Cnty,In the NON Free state of Marylandstine
Posts: 3,609
I have a feeling that this case will be one of the most historic and important cases in the history of this great Nation. Yes it has gone to hell in a handbasket right now but at least we have the freedom to vote and chose who we want in the US Congress, a lot of people in this world do not have that choice to make but it is forced upon them instead. We might never know what the long term effects are when SCOTUS gives its ruling..
motorcoachdoug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 06:57 AM #502
pcfixer's Avatar
pcfixer pcfixer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Marylandstan
Posts: 4,911
pcfixer pcfixer is offline
Senior Member
pcfixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Marylandstan
Posts: 4,911
Quote:
Originally Posted by motorcoachdoug View Post
I have a feeling that this case will be one of the most historic and important cases in the history of this great Nation. Yes it has gone to hell in a handbasket right now but at least we have the freedom to vote and chose who we want in the US Congress, a lot of people in this world do not have that choice to make but it is forced upon them instead. We might never know what the long term effects are when SCOTUS gives its ruling..
And
Quote:
jcutonilli 46 Amicus Briefs
It will be very interesting to hear the oral arguments.!
__________________
Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of tyrannical government.

“By the way I call it "moral obedience" rather than "civil disobedience" because it is God's law". Those who try to promote un-natural laws on us are committing moral disobedience. It is our duty to resist immoral laws and actions.” By Richard Fry.
pcfixer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 11:08 AM #503
Nobody's Avatar
Nobody Nobody is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,157
Nobody Nobody is offline
Senior Member
Nobody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,157
Sorry to be a negative belly but nothing will be done.

It will either be a wishy washy ruling or if it is clear as a bell the legislature will TPM and traning requirement us to death.

Nobody
Nobody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 11:14 AM #504
teratos's Avatar
teratos teratos is offline
My hair is amazing
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bel Air
Posts: 38,421
teratos teratos is offline
My hair is amazing
teratos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bel Air
Posts: 38,421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
Sorry to be a negative belly but nothing will be done.

It will either be a wishy washy ruling or if it is clear as a bell the legislature will TPM and traning requirement us to death.

Nobody
It will be more court cases for sure. Once carry outside the home is established as a Right, it will be difficult to be too obstructionist in the long term.
__________________
Quote:
"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."(16 Am. Jur. 2d, Section 177; later 2d, Section 256)
teratos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 11:19 AM #505
TheOriginalMexicanBob's Avatar
TheOriginalMexicanBob TheOriginalMexicanBob is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Frederick
Posts: 19,005
TheOriginalMexicanBob TheOriginalMexicanBob is online now
Senior Member
TheOriginalMexicanBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Frederick
Posts: 19,005
As long as there are activist judges who ignore the Constitution in favor of using their position for social engineering there will always be dangers and threats to our rights to combat. As in all court decisions the devil is in the details...rarely is there a unequivocal, emphatic decision that doesn't include weasel words to allow the Left to throw sand in the gears of justice and liberty.
__________________
Socialism is like a Jedi Mind Trick...it only works on the weak minded. TheOriginalMexican Bob
I'm an American...your approval is not required. TheOriginalMexicanBob
Good people do not need laws to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws. Plato
TheOriginalMexicanBob is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 12:44 PM #506
jcutonilli jcutonilli is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,697
jcutonilli jcutonilli is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,697
Quote:
Originally Posted by pcfixer View Post
And

It will be very interesting to hear the oral arguments.!
Quote:
Originally Posted by teratos View Post
It will be more court cases for sure. Once carry outside the home is established as a Right, it will be difficult to be too obstructionist in the long term.
It certainly will be interesting. Clement never really answered the revised question directly. The primary argument presented was really about carry outside the home, which was the question Clement originally proposed. SCOTUS changed the question to address CONCEALED CARRY specifically. Clement side steps the question like he did in Peruta and never addresses the historical prohibition directly. He lost Peruta because of it. While I don't think it will cause a loss in this case, it may muddy the issue.
jcutonilli is online now   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 01:34 PM #507
motorcoachdoug's Avatar
motorcoachdoug motorcoachdoug is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: In Comminuest Monkey Cnty,In the NON Free state of Marylandstine
Posts: 3,609
motorcoachdoug motorcoachdoug is offline
Senior Member
motorcoachdoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: In Comminuest Monkey Cnty,In the NON Free state of Marylandstine
Posts: 3,609
I wonder if 2CA ruled the way it did because they did not want to be the ones to strike down NY Law about needing a government permission to carry so they ruled the way they did in order to let SCOTUS take the case and let the chips fall where they may.. I think if they did rule against NY state they might get death threats plus they would lose some of their political pull as well with Como and company...
motorcoachdoug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 01:42 PM #508
Bob A's Avatar
Bob A Bob A is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 18,025
Bob A Bob A is offline
Senior Member
Bob A's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 18,025
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcutonilli View Post
46 Amicus Briefs
Jul 09 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Alabama Center for Law and Liberty filed.
Jul 13 2021 Brief amici curiae of Professors of Second Amendment Law, et al. filed.
Jul 14 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Claremont Institutional Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence filed.
Jul 14 2021 Brief amici curiae of Bay Colony Weapons Collectors, Inc. filed.
Jul 15 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Inc. filed.
Jul 15 2021 Brief amici curiae of Italo-American Jurists and Attorneys filed.
Jul 16 2021 Brief amicus curiae of National African American Gun Association, Inc. filed.
Jul 16 2021 Brief amicus curiae of Mountain States Legal Foundation's Center to Keep and Bear Arms filed.
Jul 16 2021 Amicus brief of George K. Young Jr. submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of The Buckeye Institute submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of Representative Claudia Tenney and 175 Additional Members of the U.S. House of Representatives submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of Law Enforcement Groups and State and Local Firearms Rights Groups submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of The DC Project Foundation; Operation Blazing Sword—Pink Pistols; Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership submitted.
Jul 19 2021 Amicus brief of Patrick J. Charles submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of J. Joel Alicea submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Second Amendment Foundation, et al. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of American Constitutional Rights Union submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Cato Institute submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Firearms Policy Coalition and Professor Joyce Lee Malcolm submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of American Center for Law and Justice submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of California Gun Rights Foundation submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of California Rifle & Pistol Association, Incorporated and Second Amendment Law Center, Inc submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of William English, Ph.D. and The Center for Human Liberty submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Center for Defense of Free Enterprise, et al. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of National Foundation for Gun Rights and National Association for Gun Rights submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Independent Institute submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, John Barrasso, Marsha Blackburn, John Boozman, Mike Braun, John Cornyn, Tom Cotton, Kevin Cramer, Mike Crapo, Steve Daines, Josh Hawley, John Hoeven, Cindy Hyde-Smith, Jim Inhofe, Ron Johnson, James Lankford, Mike Lee, Cynthia Lummis, Roger Marshall, Jerry Moran, Jim Risch, Marco Rubio, Rick Scott, Thom Tillis submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Madison Society Foundation, Inc. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Crime Prevention Resource Center submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Asian Pacific American Gun Owners Association submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Governor Greg Abbott submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Second Amendment Law Professors submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of FPC American Victory Fund, Coalition of New Jersey Firearms Owners, San Diego County Gun Owners, Orange County Gun Owners, Riverside County Gun Owners, California County Gun Owners, and Knife Rights Foundation, Inc. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Lambert Henry, Russell Davenport, and Peter Fusco submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of THE LEAGUE FOR SPORTSMEN, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND DEFENSE submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Korte Enterprises, LLC, d/b/a Korte Tree Care submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Gun Owners of America, Inc., Gun Owners Foundation, and Heller Foundation submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of State of Arizona submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Buckeye Firearms Association submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Goldwater Institute submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Rutherford Institute submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of National Shooting Sports Foundation Inc. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of The Liberal Gun Club, Inc. submitted.
Jul 20 2021 Amicus brief of Black Guns Matter submitted.
DOGPILE!!

I suppose this excess of amici will slow the snail-like process to something approaching a tectonic rate of change?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by alucard0822 View Post
Big difference between "will use violence to impose my political beliefs on others" and "will use violence to defend myself from those imposing their political beliefs on me". The former is the main ingredient of genocide, the latter is the only thing that has ever prevented it.
The Hand That Signs The Paycheck Rules The World

Originally Posted by Deep Lurker:
Quote:
Disclaimer: “No criminals will be harmed in the passage of these gun control bills.”
Bob A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 01:50 PM #509
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 3,278
Allen65 Allen65 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Anne Arundel County
Posts: 3,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by motorcoachdoug View Post
. I think if they did rule against NY state they might get death threats plus they would lose some of their political pull as well with Como and company...
Death threats from people who don't believe in private possession of weapons somehow doesn't sound very...threatening. Especially to conservative jurists who do.
Allen65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 21st, 2021, 02:27 PM #510
777GSOTB 777GSOTB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 294
777GSOTB 777GSOTB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 294
Quote:
Originally Posted by motorcoachdoug View Post
I have a feeling that this case will be one of the most historic and important cases in the history of this great Nation. Yes it has gone to hell in a handbasket right now but at least we have the freedom to vote and chose who we want in the US Congress, a lot of people in this world do not have that choice to make but it is forced upon them instead. We might never know what the long term effects are when SCOTUS gives its ruling..
No, not really. They will just say that a state can't deny a permit based on wanting one for self-defense. The states that use that to deny carry, the main purpose of its use, will just come up with a new angle for denial. Such as, charging more for a permit and requiring carry insurance. Until we see an arrest for open carry without a permit, this chit will continue with little affect on the right throughout the nation.
777GSOTB is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > Gun Rights and Legislation > National 2A Issues


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2021, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service