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Old June 13th, 2021, 02:20 PM #481
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So, to paraphrase the process for getting a concealed carry permit in NJNYHIetc is:

Apply locally, pay, get rejected, spend for lawyers to appeal for every court from local/state, through federal courts/districts, loosing at every turn over the course of 9 years, in the case of HIvYoung.

Appeal to the Supreme Court, when they take the case… say… ok, we’ll give mr young, or in this case the NJ guy a permit. And ask that the case be dismissed.

All this to get a 5 year permit. When the permit expires, if the guy is still alive, he can restart the multi year and $$$ process all over again.

If you ask the politician in NYNJHI, the system is functioning exactly as designed. Feature, not a bug.

/rant my apologies… and not aimed at you! Just observing. And agreeing. I think.

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Some lawyers will say that a party can “moot” a case, but only a Court can make a binding determination that a petitioner’s claim (i.e., pending litigation) is (1) “resolved” and only then can the claim be said, in a strictly legal sense (2) “therefore moot.”*

As indicated above (post # 474) my guess is N.Y.’s lawyers will recommend that an attempt be made to have the court “moot” the case. Any recommendation will be confidential. N.Y.’s politicians may (or may not) take the advice . . . you have pointed out some of the considerations.

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*“Petitioners’ claim for declaratory and injunctive relief with respect to the City’s old rule had changed is therefore moot.”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...8-280_ba7d.pdf page 1

"Because Federal Courts only have constitutional authority to resolve actual disputes (see Case or Controversy) legal actions cannot be brought or continued after the matter at issue has been resolved, leaving no live dispute for a court to resolve. In such a case, the matter is said to be "moot". For Supreme Court decisions focusing on mootness, see, e.g., Arizonans for Official English v. Arizona, 520 U.S. 43 (1997) and Hicklin v. Orbeck, 437 U.S. 518 (1978)."
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Old June 15th, 2021, 07:02 AM #482
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The Court’s question is:

“Whether the State's denial of petitioners' applications for concealed-carry licenses for self-defense violated the Second Amendment.”

Seems to me “the State’s denial,” based on not accepting “self-defense” as “proper cause” “for concealed-carry licenses” is a clear violation of the 2A and that any attempt by N.Y. to have the Court “moot” the case would necessarily include: (1) That pending “self-defense” applications be approved and (2) Changing the State’s license process to “self-defense” is “proper cause” requiring “shall-issue.” (see post 474)

Only then might the Court determine the case to be “therefore moot.”

If the five Conservative Justices had intended to let “no proper cause,” or “no particular need” remain intact . . . there was no reason for a cert grant. No “right” to “carry” is already law in N.Y.

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Old June 15th, 2021, 12:43 PM #483
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I gotcha. I wasn’t aiming at you, just observing, with just a touch of sarcasm on what I think the states I mention will try to do. Including NY.

Ya know, we have months until the first possible hearing, and probably just about a year until a ruling. And lots of idle time for amateurs like me to ask questions. Observe. Sarcas.

I Appreciate your explanation.

If they are required to issue, it’ll be interesting to see where they would go.

Weekly permits
$1m application fee
Weekly renewed training certs

General distrust of .gov here.

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The Court’s question is:

“Whether the State's denial of petitioners' applications for concealed-carry licenses for self-defense violated the Second Amendment.”

Seems to me “the State’s denial,” based on not accepting “self-defense” as “proper cause” “for concealed-carry licenses” is a clear violation of the 2A and that any attempt by N.Y. to have the Court “moot” the case would necessarily include: (1) That pending “self-defense” applications be approved and (2) Changing the State’s license process to “self-defense” is “proper cause” requiring “shall-issue.” (see post 474)

Only then might the Court determine the case to be “therefore moot.”

If the five Conservative Justices had intended to let “no proper cause,” or “no particular need” remain intact . . . there was no reason for a cert grant. No “right” to “carry” is already law in N.Y.

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Not on October’s argument list
They requested a second extension
http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPD...20Schedule.pdf

This extension indicates that they would allow a November argument schedule.

The NYSPRA brief has been officially submitted.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPD...ng%20Brief.pdf

There is also a joint appendix and two amicus briefs;
Alabama Center for Law and Liberty
http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPD...ef%20pdf-a.pdf
and Firearms Policy Coalition and Firearms Policy Foundation
http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPD...us%20Brief.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/...ic/20-843.html
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Don't worry. The libs will pack the court long before this is decided.

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Don't have to. Waiting for Thomas to exit the life game. Then it'll be 5-4 against after getting Garland on the bench.
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Don't have to. Waiting for Thomas to exit the life game. Then it'll be 5-4 against after getting Garland on the bench.
Thomas is still a pretty robust man. He’s only 73.
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Thomas is still a pretty robust man. He’s only 73.
Here's to his health!

For some reason I had thought he was much older.
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