NULLIFICATION OF GUN LAWS

Loader · Feb 21, 2013

Commissioner Rothschild said:
Fellow 2A Supporters,

I intend to introduce legislation in Carroll County to nullify Federal and State laws that impinge on our Second Amendment Protections as afforded in the Constitution.

If I proceed forward, I will need a packed hearing room in support of this effort, as it will likely be treated with skepticism by some officials.

If this passes, it will be the FIRST ever in the State of Maryland.

QUESTION:

If I proceed, how many of you can take off in either the late morning (10 to 11AM) or mid afternoon (2-3 or 3-4 PM) to testify?

I need at least 40 people.

Please advise

Commissioner Richard Rothschild
UNWAVERING CONSERVATIVE LEADERSHIP

I will make every effort to be there.

ineoin · Mar 2, 2013

Succeed, Why Not?

ricanmd said:
How about this for a thought. I recently saw a red/blue map of maryland and it looked like 3 different states. Carroll and west all red. Baltimore county and south red/blue. Harford and east down to the eastern shore red. It looked like three diffeent states to me. How about we get a movement of the counties Carroll and west to succeed from Maryland. Let Miller, Bush and O'Malley have the state they want and we all get along with our lives and let them run what is left of Maryland into the ground. When the Feds can no longer support the bloated government they want from DC, let them eat the crumbs. Nullification not necessary, we let them have they cake and eat it.

Anyone in western MD think they need Annapolis to let them take advantage of the shale gas reserves that WVA and PA will pull from under them. Let me know Why?

Succeed, why not. I was thinking the same thing. It looks like three states. The Eastern Shore has spoken of this in the past. I think it's time we look at this as well! Well said!

Docster · Mar 2, 2013

Didn't read through the entire thread, but the Tenth Amendment Center is leading a charge of nullication

and HERE for specific nullification info

Bean Guy · Apr 5, 2013

Long time Carroll County resident here - count me in - name the time and place and I will be there. Have two more friends that will come as well.

DaddyMac · May 4, 2013

I'm In.

CC Resident - Not sure if this already happened or not since it's now May 4th. Id testify if needed but will otherwise take off work to be there.

AGCLVP · May 5, 2013

Not to rain on anyone's parade:

The County can’t nullify the state legislation. Maryland law provides that:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, the State preempts the right of a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district to regulate the purchase, sale, taxation, transfer, manufacture, repair, ownership, possession, and transportation of:

(1) a handgun, rifle, or shotgun; and

(2) ammunition for and components of a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.

Exceptions

(b)(1) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the purchase, sale, transfer, ownership, possession, and transportation of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section:

(i) with respect to minors;

(ii) with respect to law enforcement officials of the subdivision; and

(iii) except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, within 100 yards of or in a park, church, school, public building, and other place of public assembly.

Md. Code Ann., Crim. Law § 4-209 (2010). The county has no authority to regulate the ownership of guns unless one of the exceptions in subsection (b) apply, which is not the case here. Thus, any nullification ordinances would be meaningless.

6-Pack · May 5, 2013

AGCLVP said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade:

The County can’t nullify the state legislation. Maryland law provides that:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, the State preempts the right of a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district to regulate the purchase, sale, taxation, transfer, manufacture, repair, ownership, possession, and transportation of:

(1) a handgun, rifle, or shotgun; and

(2) ammunition for and components of a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.

Exceptions

(b)(1) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the purchase, sale, transfer, ownership, possession, and transportation of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section:

(i) with respect to minors;

(ii) with respect to law enforcement officials of the subdivision; and

(iii) except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, within 100 yards of or in a park, church, school, public building, and other place of public assembly.

Md. Code Ann., Crim. Law § 4-209 (2010). The county has no authority to regulate the ownership of guns unless one of the exceptions in subsection (b) apply, which is not the case here. Thus, any nullification ordinances would be meaningless.

Yes, but the proposed nullification will prohibit the use of county resources to enforce the law. In other words, only the MSP can enforce the law for 281-type matters. Sounds decent to me given the hand we've been dealt.

Ab_Normal · May 6, 2013

6-Pack said:
Yes, but the proposed nullification will prohibit the use of county resources to enforce the law. In other words, only the MSP can enforce the law for 281-type matters. Sounds decent to me given the hand we've been dealt.

Exactly. But let's see who gets elected Sheriff before we get too excited.

cowboy321 · May 6, 2013

Brooklyn said:
I was wondering if you had a chance to look at Cato institute work on this. I am not optimistic that the court will uphold, they are making the claim that the supremacy clause only holds if the law is constitutional. It's slim and if the court later upheld the law in question it would be moot.

Not claiming Cato is right, just curious if there is anything at all to this notion..

I am dubious that enough support exists to actually get a hearing with concurrence of the Chair and CoChair. But maybe.

Void for Vagueness is an argument in drafting anything serious. What laws and statutes are in violation of the 2nd? Carry permits? regulated firearms? Waiting periods? Registration of machine guns? Inability to obtain artillery and mortars?
Given the overwhelming legislative and grassroots support for restricting firearms in Md, I have a tough time seeing any traction, but for purposes of public debate, why not.

HRDWRK · May 21, 2013

The Carroll County Times Report.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/news/local/rothschild-sets-sights-on-md-gun-law/article_6d12bd33-cb6c-5785-9419-20366dc9246c.html

mudskipper · May 21, 2013

I've already nullified them.

GTOGUNNER · May 21, 2013

BUMP
I will try to make it, can't promise!

Ab_Normal · May 21, 2013

mudskipper said:
I've already nullified them.

Did somebody say something?

How do I be a Va resident after October?

Hixster · May 22, 2013

I'm good for the morning!

abean4187 · May 22, 2013

It’s like Carroll County is calling my name. I just got a job in Owings Mills and have been contemplating moving to Carroll. Anyone know of nice places to live that I should check out by Reisterstown?

yellowsled · May 22, 2013

Honestly, every place in Carroll County is nice. In the actual city of Westminster there as a couple "bad" apartment complexes, but they are far and few between.

Ab_Normal · May 22, 2013

abean4187 said:
It’s like Carroll County is calling my name. I just got a job in Owings Mills and have been contemplating moving to Carroll. Anyone know of nice places to live that I should check out by Reisterstown?

Move to Pa. Just look carefully at their overall tax rates. Some areas are higher than others. Make sure you are looking at ALL the little taxes - school, occupation, trash pick up, etc.. Even if it costs you a few extra dollars it would be well worth it for having less BS and politics to deal with.

JMangle · May 22, 2013

Ab_Normal said:
Exactly. But let's see who gets elected Sheriff before we get too excited.

Hopefully Jim Dewees -- he is vocally pro-gun, and I mean like Sheriff Chuck Jenkins vocal.

The other two in the running are also pro-gun, but I like Dewees the best, so I'm backing him.

abean4187 · May 22, 2013

Ab_Normal said:
Move to Pa. Just look carefully at their overall tax rates. Some areas are higher than others. Make sure you are looking at ALL the little taxes - school, occupation, trash pick up, etc.. Even if it costs you a few extra dollars it would be well worth it for having less BS and politics to deal with.

I'd rather not have to drive 45+ minutes every day to get to work. Even the soon to pass laws aren't enough to make me want to move back to PA, yet.

babalao · May 22, 2013

When is the hearing to nullify the gun control laws? I would like to be present.

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