Curio and Relic FAQ!! Read me first!!!
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hydroplane
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clarification
I ordered my forms today so I am trying to understand. What is the huge concern with over finding the correct CLEO? Specifically, if it is the MSP, County, Local Police. Is it that the CLEO needs to sign the form and you aren't able to find someone to sign it? It seems to me the most important thing here is that "a" local department has the information as well as the ATF. Send it the local law enforcement" department, notate it on the ATF copy and you are done. Chances are that the ATF just wants to have a contact if a warrant or assistance is needed.
Next, so I understand. I get the part with the "importing" into Maryland with this license I will not have to go through the "whole process", etc. Now how does this work with Class III firearms, machine guns that have "automatic" feature? Will I be able to obtain these firearms?
As always, thanks for all the insight.
I ordered my forms today so I am trying to understand. What is the huge concern with over finding the correct CLEO? Specifically, if it is the MSP, County, Local Police. Is it that the CLEO needs to sign the form and you aren't able to find someone to sign it? It seems to me the most important thing here is that "a" local department has the information as well as the ATF. Send it the local law enforcement" department, notate it on the ATF copy and you are done. Chances are that the ATF just wants to have a contact if a warrant or assistance is needed.
Next, so I understand. I get the part with the "importing" into Maryland with this license I will not have to go through the "whole process", etc. Now how does this work with Class III firearms, machine guns that have "automatic" feature? Will I be able to obtain these firearms?
As always, thanks for all the insight.
coinboy
Yeah, Sweet Lemonade.
Okay, part 1 of your question. The proper CLEO is the most local police department in your area. This was per an ATF email I received. It's not a huge deal because some have sent their forms to the MDSP and still received their license. I only tried to provide the most accurate information for the FAQ. No one needs to sign off on your application. It is only your job to send it to them. It is their job to contact ATF if there is a problem.
Now part 2. You can obtain machine guns with or without a C&R license. The only thing the C&R license will save you will be that you can purchase a C&R machine gun directly from an out of state dealer instead of having the out of state dealer transfer it to a MD dealer. You still have to purchase one made before 1986 and pay the $200 tax stamp, finger prints, passport photos and a bunch of $$$. Generally, if you can by a handgun, you can buy a machine gun if you have the money.
hydroplane
Member
Got it thanks!
I believe the requirement to notify the local CLEO dates back to 1968 which was before a centralized database of criminal offendors and nearly 30 years before the Brady Law. It was likely done to check or double check, and make sure the applicant was not crazy or any other prohibitted person, but now that the ATF uses a centeralized database (NCIC) and such to check new applicants, the old requirement of notifying the CLEO is really uneccessary.
sje0123
Ultimate Member
I ordered some paperwork including a C&R App for a buddy of mine and they sent fingerprint cards w/ it. What gives? They change something up on us? or is it a clerical mistake?
Clerical. I recall my application packet five years ago also had the fingerprint card and the other stuff, but it was just the stuff included in with the business FFLs and someone got mixed up.
mrozowjj
Ultimate Member
I wanted to get some clarification on this. Say I get my C&R license. Then I go to the local gun shop and buy a Remington 870. It's not C&R. Do I log it in my book?
Also say I sell one of my existing guns which is also not a C&R like say a Glock 19 or whatever. Do I then enter it in a log book as exiting my posession?
Also one other question unrelated to the book. If I go to a gun show in VA, PA, etc can I use my C&R to purchase something like a handgun (say a CZ-52) that I would previously be unable to purchase out of state; or do I have to get it mailed to an FFL regardless?
I bought a 91/30 before I even had the paper work for my C&R, I don't have to log that one. The only thing that has to be logged are C&R eligible firearms bought using your C&R license. I still keep records on my other firearms, just not in my Bound Book.
No, just C&R you acquiesce or dispossess while you have your license.
No, just C&R guns.
You are the FFL if you have a C&R FFL and it is a C&R handgun.
badwoldalek
standing @ the end o time
Mine just arrived today finally
badwoldalek
standing @ the end o time
They sent me the wrong application now I gotta wait for the right app to come
coinboy
Yeah, Sweet Lemonade.
Got to renew!
fa18hooker
99-9X
new to C&R
I requested my forms 2 months ago, got them 3 weeks later, and sent them out the next day. The good folks at ATF charged my card two weeks ago, but hasn't arrived yet (not holding my breath based on the posts here). So a few questions: for the bound book, what's the best/cheapest source? I don't plan on buying many/any C&R firearms, but realize I have to have a book (just in case!). Mostly just want the discounts. Is there a consolidated list of vendors that deal in C&R's (the only one I know off the top of my head is CDNN). I plan on the usual suspects for supplies (Midway, Brownells, etc). Any more info on the good discounts is appreciated!
I requested my forms 2 months ago, got them 3 weeks later, and sent them out the next day. The good folks at ATF charged my card two weeks ago, but hasn't arrived yet (not holding my breath based on the posts here). So a few questions: for the bound book, what's the best/cheapest source? I don't plan on buying many/any C&R firearms, but realize I have to have a book (just in case!). Mostly just want the discounts. Is there a consolidated list of vendors that deal in C&R's (the only one I know off the top of my head is CDNN). I plan on the usual suspects for supplies (Midway, Brownells, etc). Any more info on the good discounts is appreciated!
You can make a bound book. It can be a loose leaf notebook. There are links to pages you can print out, I believe even in this thread.
The "C&R perks and tips" sticky has links to vendors that offer discounts.
onatsky
Ultimate Member
I requested the form last week and got it today. Regarding the CLEO, do you mail a copy to them or should you go to their office to have them sign it? Do you mail the forms back to the Hyattsville address? Thanks... Ron
The3clipser
Mister Tea
- Nov 29, 2009
- 1,851
I do not have a C&R.
Having said that, the CLEO does NOT have to sign anything. You are notifying them of your newly found C&R status, not asking for their approval. They have as much say in your approval as I do. Typically they file the form, and asking your local PD who the CLEO is should be enough. Mail the form to them.
Ginny510
Active Member
I want to fax my designated collector form. Does anyone have the fax number?
As far as i know you can't fax it. You are only given the mailing address.
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