The Official AR-15 Picture Thread

swinokur · May 22, 2018

What it said was you can put a VFG on a AR pistol if it’s >26”. Less than that it becomes an AOW and is subject to NFA rules

An AR pistol >26” is defined as a firearm not a pistol

outrider58 · May 22, 2018

swinokur said:
What it said was you can put a VFG on a AR pistol if it’s >26”. Less than that it becomes an AOW and is subject to NFA rules

An AR pistol >26” is defined as a firearm not a pistol

Whenever people use the > and <, it fires off my dyslexia big time.

I know the thinking is that over 26" implies it is not concealable(who's to say what is and what isn't?) and therefore no longer a pistol. It just seems most of what I've read was that when a VFG was added(and length was over 26"...or under?), it did become an AOW and require the $10(?) stamp. Not trying to argue. I also have an innate distrust for ATF letters as a whole. They are only good until another comes out with a differing opinion.

Signed, confused reader.

ETA: I'm not a big fan of VFGs on most guns. For the most part, I use them for hand stops or someplace to mount a switch.

Sticky · May 22, 2018

I questioned that 'opinion' as well, so I sent my letter off to the ATF. Took them almost two years to reply, but they confirmed the same. An AR in a pistol configuration, with an oal of over 26" is reclassified as a 'firearm' (not an SBR, not an AOW) when a VFG is added to it. It is not subject to any additional NFA tax of any kind.

I would not construe that to have any effect on 'transportation', or any other classification/ruling, but... if your AR pistol is over 26" in length as measured by the ATF, you can add a VFG to it.

I like my VFG with a switch... :lol2:

Sticky · May 22, 2018

A copy of the pertinent page of their response....

Sticky · May 22, 2018

swinokur said:
What it said was you can put a VFG on a AR pistol if it’s >26”. Less than that it becomes an AOW and is subject to NFA rules

An AR pistol >26” is defined as a firearm not a pistol

It is reclassified as a 'firearm' once you add the VFG. Prior to that, it is still a 'pistol'. Technically speaking, that is..

swinokur · May 22, 2018

Wedll, I'm not sure if the >26" length or the VFG makes it a firearm. The wording of both opinions seems a bit ambiguous. I read it to mean a pistol >26" is a firearm, VFG or not.

But who knows.

What's important is if >26" it's not subject to the NFA.

Sticky · May 22, 2018

swinokur said:
Wedll, I'm not sure if the >26" length or the VFG makes it a firearm. The wording of both opinions seems a bit ambiguous. I read it to mean a pistol >26" is a firearm, VFG or not.

But who knows.

What's important is if >26" it's not subject to the NFA.

Exactly.. their ambiguity is to be admired for sure! :lol2:

outrider58 · May 22, 2018

swinokur said:
Wedll, I'm not sure if the >26" length or the VFG makes it a firearm. The wording of both opinions seems a bit ambiguous. I read it to mean a pistol >26" is a firearm, VFG or not.

But who knows.

What's important is if >26" it's not subject to the NFA.

<<>>> <>> >>>>> <<

:lol2:

Keep it up Stu!

swinokur · May 22, 2018

If it points LEFT it means LESS.

Any 6th grader knows this.

According to Jeff Foxworthy anyway

outrider58 · May 22, 2018

swinokur said:
If it points LEFT it means LESS.

Any 6th grader knows this.

According to Jeff Foxworthy anyway

I only made it to 4+1. Is that 6?

https://www.dyslexia.com/about-dyslexia/understanding-dyslexia/

danb · May 22, 2018

Left = less (socialism)
Right = more (capitalism)

Also, the pointy part always point to the smaller number.

davsco · May 23, 2018

Mega Arms 224 Valkyrie

my first upper build, 2nd lower build!! haven't shot it yet, just got the last parts today. mega mkm keymod billet upper and lower, 224 valkyrie, JP low mass bcg etc (bolt in 6.8spc), wmd nibx charging handle, rainier ultramatch 24" +2 gas (1-7.5 twist which they say will stabilize 88-90g with longer barrels), rainier/superlative adj gas block, luth-ar mba1 buttstock, timney 2 stage trigger (love geissele but had this around), NF 5.5-22x56 on top in NF unimount (pulled this off another gun, have a 3-15x50 inbound for this rifle), with expected max range of 800 yds (prs gas gun series).

CrabcakesAndFootball · May 28, 2018

Oldcarjunkie said:
report back to see if that helps.

I’d been practicing looking at the object not the optic since I got that advice. Finally got it out to the range this weekend and it is working much better for me. I think I was definitely focusing on the dot before. Thanks!

SCARCQB · May 30, 2018

Ar9 pistol build. ( on a budget).

Got to test fire it this past weekend. What a fun little gun . Easy to shoot well and affordable to feed. It’s beginning to grow on me.

rouchna · Jun 4, 2018

These could go here or the NFA picture thread

INMY01TA · Jun 15, 2018

New glass, Vortex PST 2-10

ajviera · Jun 15, 2018

AR Pistol 556/300BO

dreadpirate · Jun 16, 2018

ajviera said:
AR Pistol 556/300BO

What a great idea! Who makes that upper receiver with the interchangeable barrels?

Indiana Jones · Jun 17, 2018

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retafshooter · Jun 18, 2018

Israeli AR Pistol Grip

FAB Defense AG43 Pistol Grip. Really Cool

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