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Old October 19th, 2018, 08:57 PM #11
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Nothing has to be locked. Nothing has to be in the trunk, or "as far from the driver as geometrically possible, as determined by trigonometric survey."

Handguns only need to be in a "holster or enclosed case," which could be a paper bag. Long guns don't need to be cased at all. Everything needs to be unloaded. Handguns may only be transported for specified purposes: to/from practice, competition, repair, dog obedience class, etc. but the law says NOTHING about "direct transport." No restrictions on long gun transport, except in Baltimore and some other incorporated cities.

Common sense: keep everything in a case or wrapped up, out of sight. Avoid getting pulled over, best the subject of guns never comes up if you are pulled over. If you admit there is a gun in the car, that may provide probable cause for a search without a warrant, and guns could be seized.

Thieves have been following people after they leave the range, and stealing guns from unattended cars. Watch your 6:00 leaving the range. Take some evasive action: drive around in a circle, make a u-turn, etc.
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Nothing has to be locked. Nothing has to be in the trunk, or "as far from the driver as geometrically possible, as determined by trigonometric survey."

Handguns only need to be in a "holster or enclosed case," which could be a paper bag.
Actually in the AG opinion on what an enclosed case or holster is the AG specifically stated that a unfastened sack IS NOT an enclosed case or holster by the legislative intent of the statute.

So transporting in an unfastened sack is a really bad idea as postulated above.
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Actually in the AG opinion on what an enclosed case or holster is the AG specifically stated that a unfastened sack IS NOT an enclosed case or holster by the legislative intent of the statute.

So transporting in an unfastened sack is a really bad idea as postulated above.
Thanks for the correction. You would think that folding the bag tightly would be enough, but apparently not.

My intended point was that the "case" doesn't need to be anything fancy...

Personally I always put everything on cases, just to protect them. Cased handguns go in another range bag, so are doubly cased.
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Thanks for the correction. You would think that folding the bag tightly would be enough, but apparently not.

My intended point was that the "case" doesn't need to be anything fancy...

Personally I always put everything on cases, just to protect them. Cased handguns go in another range bag, so are doubly cased.
No worries. I just didn't want anyone tossing their firearm in a bag and then getting stopped and perhaps arrested. I wasn't being critical, just pointing out that unfastened sacks are specifically mentioned in the AG opinion as NOT being acceptable.
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Thanks, I had not seen that one. Hmmm...why did Mark Bowen, Assistant Attorney General, use a Maryland State Police e-mail address and not one @oag.state.md.us? That seems to be an odd conflict of interest between enforcement and justice.
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Because he is assigned as AAG to advise MSP
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Because he is assigned as AAG to advise MSP
And his paycheck comes out of MSP's finances not the OAG's.
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What differentiates a "fastened" sack from any other?
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Paragraph 2 & 3 of the AG opinion give us a clue.

One that has the end secured with any type of closure mechanism to comply with the legislative intent of closed case. Turn an unfastened sack upside down. What happens?

Now tie the end of the sack in a knot or tie it closed with a fastener.

Turn it upside down again.

See any difference?

The operative word IMO is secure. One method is and one is not.
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