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Old July 28th, 2013, 07:58 AM #11
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There are several physicians on the forum with a permit. You are correct that you still need G&S. IMO, every physician is a walking narcotic dispensary. You may not be necessarily transporting narcotics, but do you have an Rx pad? What if some enterprising young junkie were to put a gun to your head, open up the yellow pages to the pharmacy section, and tell you to start calling in Vicodin to every pharmacy in a 10 mile radius. That would be a lucrative day for him, would it not? You mentioned that not many physicians transport narcotics. I argue that having a few Percocet in your black bag is a good idea for emergencies. It may be a good practice for you to have some. It can be the basis for G&S.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:07 AM #12
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A dentist friend has a CCW based on his dental practice, script pad, etc.
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There are several physicians on the forum with a permit. You are correct that you still need G&S. IMO, every physician is a walking narcotic dispensary. You may not be necessarily transporting narcotics, but do you have an Rx pad? What if some enterprising young junkie were to put a gun to your head, open up the yellow pages to the pharmacy section, and tell you to start calling in Vicodin to every pharmacy in a 10 mile radius. That would be a lucrative day for him, would it not? You mentioned that not many physicians transport narcotics. I argue that having a few Percocet in your black bag is a good idea for emergencies. It may be a good practice for you to have some. It can be the basis for G&S.
So is every pa-c, crnp, crna, mid-wife, and mph is eligible with this set of circumstances. Not to be argumentative, just because a script pad is accessible and it creates an avenue for Rx meds to be derived doesn't create g&s. that would be similar every gun owner needing ccw because the can take me hostage to gain access to my arsenal.

I have md/do friends who have ccw each of them will admit they have it by manipulation of ccw rules. Good for them (the law bunk IMO) and good for you for the same reason.
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So is every pa-c, crnp, crna, mid-wife, and mph is eligible with this set of circumstances. Not to be argumentative, just because a script pad is accessible and it creates an avenue for Rx meds to be derived doesn't create g&s. that would be similar every gun owner needing ccw because the can take me hostage to gain access to my arsenal.

I have md/do friends who have ccw each of them will admit they have it by manipulation of ccw rules. Good for them (the law bunk IMO) and good for you for the same reason.

You'd have to run the above scenarios by MSP. I only know what worked for me. I don't make the rules, and I don't like the rules.
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So is every pa-c, crnp, crna, mid-wife, and mph is eligible with this set of circumstances. Not to be argumentative, just because a script pad is accessible and it creates an avenue for Rx meds to be derived doesn't create g&s. that would be similar every gun owner needing ccw because the can take me hostage to gain access to my arsenal.

I have md/do friends who have ccw each of them will admit they have it by manipulation of ccw rules. Good for them (the law bunk IMO) and good for you for the same reason.
MSP says it is G&S. That's what matters at this time.

And once again, here we go with the "I have friends" line of crap. There's not much room for "manipulation" of CCW rules to gain a permit. Try applying for a permit and you'll find this out for yourself.
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MSP says it is G&S. That's what matters at this time.

And once again, here we go with the "I have friends" line of crap. There's not much room for "manipulation" of CCW rules to gain a permit. Try applying for a permit and you'll find this out for yourself.
I apologize, should I have dropped names and addresses to make the story more colorful for you? The crap law that allows some one right based on accessibilities for an md should also allow for any healthcare provider with the ability to write a script. More ccw's issued the better right?

That same scenario of accessibility and the dangers of that accessibility is the same for gun owners, with safes and lockers full of weapons.

Yeah there is room for manipulation, it's a state program it doesn't use the most forethough.
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It does allow others with the same access to get a permit. Example: my son in law is a pharmacy tech at a pharmacy. He makes deliveries of drugs to patients and nursing homes. He's not a Doctor or a Phatmacist yet he has a CCW that allows carry while going to and from work, while making deliveries and while carrying narcotic drugs.
If you wish for everyone who passes the G&S muster under existing rules to hold off getting a permit until the masses are treated fairly, then you're screaming to the wrong audience. Most here want just the opposite, permits for as many as possible.
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I apologize, should I have dropped names and addresses to make the story more colorful for you? The crap law that allows some one right based on accessibilities for an md should also allow for any healthcare provider with the ability to write a script. More ccw's issued the better right?

That same scenario of accessibility and the dangers of that accessibility is the same for gun owners, with safes and lockers full of weapons.

Yeah there is room for manipulation, it's a state program it doesn't use the most forethough.
You are arguing with people (it seems to me) based on the premise that we think these laws are fair. Nobody thinks so. IMO, anything that gets someone their permit is a win. We all acknowledge that the laws don't always make sense, and are Unconstitutional at their core. Until everyone can get one, we will keep fighting.
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So is every pa-c, crnp, crna, mid-wife, and mph is eligible with this set of circumstances. Not to be argumentative, just because a script pad is accessible and it creates an avenue for Rx meds to be derived doesn't create g&s. that would be similar every gun owner needing ccw because the can take me hostage to gain access to my arsenal.

I have md/do friends who have ccw each of them will admit they have it by manipulation of ccw rules. Good for them (the law bunk IMO) and good for you for the same reason.
Welcome to the arbitraryness of G&S ... this is what the Woollard lawsuit is all about
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Thanks for all of the input. I do carry a script pad, but that does not appear to be enough for G&S.

When I sent an e-mail to the MSP this is one of the responses I got from them:

"You would need to show and prove that you carry around like say large quantities of narcotics that might be dangerous and someone addicted would want to take from you. etc. or documented by police report that you have an active threat on your life from say a disgruntled patient etc. Something that says you need this permit because something actually happened to you in the past or there is a potential for something to happen to you due to what I carry with me. Do you have active threats on you and can back that up with a police report? do you make large deposits of cash to banks from your practice and can prove it with deposit slips? Do you carry quantities of CDS like Oxycontin or hydromorphone, Dilaudid Morphine, hydrocodone etc. that would make you a target? You need to articulate why you need one other then just because I'm a physician"

I work for a hospital so I don't do the deposits. There are virtually no docs these days that carry narcotics around. I explained to them, that I do trauma call at night in bad neighborhoods, and that I have been on TV and the radio. There response came back the same. I need to have something happen to me before they will issue. i.e. get killed or I am SOL.
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