SB646/HB636 - Public Safety - Access to Firearms - Storage Requirements

PowPow · Mar 11, 2020

Looks like they are advancing this one. SB646 is reported out of JPR favorable with (2) amendments. The amendments aren't posted yet.

SB646 [BILL_TEXT_PDF] - Hearing 2/20 Video - Favorable Report with Amendments - JPR Committee Vote - Third Reading Passed (29-16)
HB636 [BILL_TEXT_PDF] - Hearing 2/19 Video - In the House - Awaiting Committee Action

Bikebreath · Mar 12, 2020

Looking for "talking points" on opposition to SB646.

TEXT:Altering a certain prohibition to prohibit a person from storing or leaving a loaded or unloaded firearm in a location where a minor could gain access to the firearm; repealing a certain exception to the prohibition; prohibiting a person from storing or leaving a loaded or unloaded firearm in a location where an unsupervised minor could gain access to the firearm and an unsupervised minor does gain access to the firearm; etc.

I'm not sure how to argue this and not sound like I'm FOR minors getting ahold of unattended firearms...lil' help, here.

Doctor_M · Mar 12, 2020

Children can and do protect themselves and their families with firearms. Leaving a minor who has been trained in the safe handling of a firearm without access, is leaving them to the mercy of a home invader.

Occam · Mar 12, 2020

I'd like to know how the determination of "unlawful entry" is made. Is it lawful until the child has been prosecuted for and found guilty of B&E, trespass, etc?

Otherwise, that jerky kid from next door (or, a familiar friend of one of the household's minors), who sometimes walks into the house unannounced/uninvited when people are home ... and does so again unaware if someone is home in advance of finding a firearm out for cleaning or such ... is that an "unlawful entry" in the context of this law? I'm not sure how the gun owner's innocence (per the "unlawful entry" clause) could be established unless the trespassing kid's entrance into the home was actually tested (presumably, through prosecution and a finding of guilt - how else?) for unlawfulness. In the awful circumstance of the kid killing him/herself with that gun, isn't it too late to establish unlawful entry at that point?

At first blush, that's all I got.

fidelity · Mar 12, 2020

This bill is an Everytown/Bloomberg favorite. If there's renewed energy behind this and other legislation, it's very likely that Bloomberg is funding it.

The underlying presumption behind this bill is that all guns are evil and dangerous. Even an unlocked and unloaded one, that families have traditionally had available as protection to themselves and their livestock is too much a risk to society (based on no scientific study). The government is stepping inside our homes and telling us how to exercise a right in our domicile. It will eventually lead to inspections. The NDA man who vigorously argued for stop and frisk doesn't care about your privacy or your family's privacy.

A farm family that once kept an unloaded shotgun or rifle by the door for quick access if there's a wild animal now needs to put a safe near that door to the outside. Due to the time lost in getting it out of the safe, now they keep it loaded and are more in a rush. Moreover, if only junior is home, junior can't defend a pet or a sibling being attacked by a wild animal because the legislator prefers the sibling get mauled or killed. It's for our own good.

No worries if a legislator's family keeps prescription medicine unlocked at home when minors are present because drug overdoses aren't a problem in Maryland. No worries that we leave car keys on countertops or sharp knives in the kitchen or cans of gas in the garage or books with radical ideas on the bookshelf and have teenagers in the house that can access these things. An unloaded shotgun accessible by even a responsible minor threatens us all.

The person that isn't viewed as a threat is someone with previous convictions that leaves a loaded, illegally owned handgun under the sofa of his girlfriend's place, where she has small kids. The legislature won't pass legislation that strengthens penalties against those with a history of committing crimes, because they view them as unnecessarily harsh and punitive and targeting minorities.

fidelity · Mar 12, 2020

I have a couple of unloaded pump action shotguns and several unloaded 22LR bolt action rifles at home out of the safe (in rifle/shotgun cases). My safes are full - I prioritize them for my AR-15s and other semiautomatic rifles. Yes, I could pull the bolt on the 22LR rifles.

Should this legislation pass, I'll buy new safes. They will of course have additional capacity. I'll buy new guns to fill this space - probably semiautomatic ones that I've wanted but held off on not having the space. Guns that will eventually go to my kids. MD legislators always seem to devise new legislation to spur gun sales.

Bertfish · Mar 12, 2020

One more I won't comply with

What a liberating feeling

John from MD · Mar 12, 2020

Bertfish said:
One more I won't comply with

What a liberating feeling

+1 There are no kids in my house.

Bertfish · Mar 12, 2020

John from MD said:
+1 There are no kids in my house.

I'll have kids one day. Won't change my behavior. I'll teach them safe firearms practices just like my dad taught me.

Doctor_M · Mar 12, 2020

I like to be no more than 10 feet from a gun in my home at any time. I'd Velcro them to the wall if my wife would let me.

PowPow · Mar 12, 2020

Doctor_M said:
I'd Velcro them to the wall if my wife would let me.

My first read of this was that you'd Velcro them to your wife if she'd let you. :lol:

John from MD · Mar 12, 2020

Doctor_M said:
I like to be no more than 10 feet from a gun in my home at any time. I'd Velcro them to the wall if my wife would let me.

Why not wear it? I am always heeled at home. My wife expects it.

K31 · Mar 12, 2020

Doctor_M said:
I like to be no more than 10 feet from a gun in my home at any time. I'd Velcro them to the wall if my wife would let me.

What? You don't have a shower gun? Are you sure you're an MDS member and not a plant?

PowPow · Mar 16, 2020

SB646 was special ordered on 3/13 by Sen. Hough for today (3/16). It's on today's 1pm agenda. They still have not convened.

PowPow · Mar 16, 2020

The audio feed is not working for me, but I can see that there has been a lot of discussion on SB646. Then, Sen. Bailey offered an amendment. Special ordered until next session by Sen. Jennings. I'm guessing that means tomorrow.

Stoveman · Mar 16, 2020

At the rate they are going that might be an hour and a half from now.

PowPow · Mar 16, 2020

And the answer is:
Until 8pm tonight.

Stoveman · Mar 16, 2020

I wasn't off by much.

Allen65 · Mar 16, 2020

Anybody know what amendment Sen. Bailey offered, and whether it was accepted or rejected?

PowPow · Mar 16, 2020

Here is a link to his amendment:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/amds/bil_0006/SB0646_46392001.pdf

They did not act on it yet.

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