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Old September 13th, 2018, 09:24 PM #261
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So, the AG says that an ordinary citizen does not have the right to self defense. He’s saying that carrying should be limited to people with a more urgent concern than a normal interest in being prepared to defend one’s life. Did Mr. Frosh write this for him?
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Did Mr. Frosh write this for him?
I'll give 3:1 that he was contacted!
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Sounds like it's time for a contempt of court citation.
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The Hawaii AG sounds like hes open to May Issue Open Carry....too little IMHO...

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uplo...n-No.-18-1.pdf
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By reading that opinion that the AG put out, it sounds like he is ok with open carry as long as you can show G&S reason. It also sounds like Hawaii is trying to delay as long as possible for the citizens of Hawaii to carry without having to show G&S to get a permit. I bet our rabid anti 2A Frosh contacted the AG of Hawaii and mabe suggested he write that kind of letter. Frosh really needs to go take a hike down to the sewer to join the other rats just like him..
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The Hawaii AG sounds like hes open to May Issue Open Carry....too little IMHO...

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uplo...n-No.-18-1.pdf
Yep, nothing except foot dragging and cracking the door open as little as possible.
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Old September 14th, 2018, 12:51 PM #267
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So, the AG says that an ordinary citizen does not have the right to self defense. Hes saying that carrying should be limited to people with a more urgent concern than a normal interest in being prepared to defend ones life. Did Mr. Frosh write this for him?
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The Hawaii AG sounds like hes open to May Issue Open Carry....too little IMHO...

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uplo...n-No.-18-1.pdf
The AG does not say anything about self defense. He is stating that HI is a may issue state and that has not changed. The problem with may issue is that it has become no issue. The courts had a problem because it was essentially a no issue. It is a no issue because of the police chiefs not because of any law. The AG's letter deals with the law and not how the police chiefs implement it.
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The AG does not say anything about self defense.
Sorry, I should have said that we can infer from what he's written that a personal interest in self defense isn't a sufficient reason to be uninfringed upon. He is of course staying away from any plain language that actually means what he's more indirectly constructed.
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The Hawaii AG sounds like hes open to May Issue Open Carry....too little IMHO...

http://ag.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uplo...n-No.-18-1.pdf
Exactly. What they're trying to do is go from no issue in statute to no issue in practice.
But does this mean they'll go back to the district court and say yes, Young is eligible for a permit but hasn't proved a need for it?
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Sorry, I should have said that we can infer from what he's written that a personal interest in self defense isn't a sufficient reason to be uninfringed upon. He is of course staying away from any plain language that actually means what he's more indirectly constructed.
While I agree personally, the courts have not found that may issue violates 2A.
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