SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

Eastwind · Jan 27, 2022

teratos said:
Can FFL's serialize a firearm I made?

I don't believe they can.

Isn't this like the binary trigger ban? If I remember correctly, the state wanted owners to ask the ATF for approval to keep them... which the ATF doesn't do- so they could never get approval.

So they found a loophole to say "well we gave you the option to keep them but you failed to do so. Hand em' over!"

And of course the liberal court allowed it. Total nonsense.

Slackdaddy · Jan 27, 2022

Many people added serial numbers to there 80% builds own there own over the years.
How will an FFL put a serial number on a firearm that already has a serial number ??

Slackdaddy · Jan 27, 2022

The bill is CLEARLY designed to disarm the typical hobbyist of their 80% builds, Typically a suburban/rural, conservative patriotic person.

The punishment is a misdemeanor punishable UPTO 3 years and 10K
Currently in MD street thugs are NOT being jailed for misdemeanors, there is NO deterrent in this bill for a street thug to acquire an 80% build.
On the other side, a gun hobbyist would lose ALL there firearms and the right to ever own any in the future, they would likely see 3-9 month is jail, enough to lose their job and home.

DC-W · Jan 27, 2022

The animus is no different than wanting Saturday night specials banned. The people have more access to arms because of this style of ownership. Can’t have that.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...01034102_20-843 Amici Brief revised cover.pdf

Jake4U · Jan 27, 2022

DC-W said:
The animus is no different than wanting Saturday night specials banned. The people have more access to arms because of this style of ownership. Can’t have that.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...01034102_20-843 Amici Brief revised cover.pdf

Law of unintended consequences: having dried up the supply of cheap .22 and .32 revolvers, thugs moved on to Cobray M11s and, once they were banned (about the same time the company went out of business because of a divorce) they moved on to stolen Glocks in 9mm, which tend to be more lethal to those on the receiving end.

It's almost as if criminals will always find a way to arm themselves.

teratos · Jan 27, 2022

Jake4U said:
It's almost as if criminals will always find a way to arm themselves.

Always. It's a hydra. They are trying to fight a hydra by cutting the head off the people the hydra is attacking. It's not going to do a fvcking thing. I know I'm preaching to the choir.

DC-W · Jan 27, 2022

I've attached the Judicial Proceeding Committee's witness guidelines to the OP.
Sign up for testimony for SB387 starts at 4pm on 2/15 and continues until 2/16 at 10am. It is in-person only as of this writing.

https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/pubs-current/current-jpr-faqs.pdf

rbird7282 · Jan 27, 2022

Slackdaddy said:
Many people added serial numbers to there 80% builds own there own over the years.
How will an FFL put a serial number on a firearm that already has a serial number ??

Because two serial numbers offset the extra killyness of the “ghost gun”

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Occam · Jan 27, 2022

rbird7282 said:
Because two serial numbers offset the extra killyness of the “ghost gun”

Exactly. It's like double-masking.

Bullfrog · Jan 27, 2022

rbird7282 said:
Because two serial numbers offset the extra killyness of the “ghost gun”

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They'll just report it twice. Twice as many spooky guns taken off the street!

cantstop · Jan 27, 2022

Slackdaddy said:
Many people added serial numbers to there 80% builds own there own over the years.
How will an FFL put a serial number on a firearm that already has a serial number ??

this is my problem

The " FU F " isn't gonna get changed easily.

teratos · Jan 27, 2022

cantstop said:
this is my problem

The " FU F " isn't gonna get changed easily.

How many firearms can have the serial FUMD0001?

welder516 · Jan 27, 2022

Mine might say In God We Trust ... I have good Aim

teratos · Jan 27, 2022

welder516 said:
Mine might say In God We Trust ... I have good Aim

I can make that a stencil for electro-etching if you like.

Occam · Jan 27, 2022

teratos said:
I can make that a stencil for electro-etching if you like.

Mrs. Occam just got a fancy new air-powered engraving system (the sort of stuff you see artists using on guns, jewelry and the like for very delicate work). It uses a compressor to supply a very complex machine that regulates air to the hand tools that in turn act like tiny, tiny jackhammers. The actual graving working tool is a metal implement a few inches long, that mounts to the active device. They are unthinkably sharp carbide (and she has a fancy-pants honing machine with large disks of diamond abrasives and super precise jigs to mate the tools to the surface at the right angles). She says those long sharp implements could be used to grave serial numbers, but they'd be more useful to stick through the eyeballs and directly into the gray matter of anyone who thinks this BS is going to prevent a single crime, ever. What a sweetie she is.

Slackdaddy · Jan 27, 2022

Changed??
Is not altering or removing a ser # from a firearm a felony (if your white and pay taxes)

cantstop said:
this is my problem

The " FU F " isn't gonna get changed easily.

mikem623 · Jan 27, 2022

Big mistake

Slackdaddy said:
Changed??
Is not altering or removing a ser # from a firearm a felony (if your white and pay taxes)

White has nothing to do with it

teratos · Jan 27, 2022

Occam said:
Mrs. Occam just got a fancy new air-powered engraving system (the sort of stuff you see artists using on guns, jewelry and the like for very delicate work). It uses a compressor to supply a very complex machine that regulates air to the hand tools that in turn act like tiny, tiny jackhammers. The actual graving working tool is a metal implement a few inches long, that mounts to the active device. They are unthinkably sharp carbide (and she has a fancy-pants honing machine with large disks of diamond abrasives and super precise jigs to mate the tools to the surface at the right angles). She says those long sharp implements could be used to grave serial numbers, but they'd be more useful to stick through the eyeballs and directly into the gray matter of anyone who thinks this BS is going to prevent a single crime, ever. What a sweetie she is.

lol. I shudder to think what it cost.

rbird7282 · Jan 27, 2022

teratos said:
How many firearms can have the serial FUMD0001?

Probably a lot more than the MGA thinks lol

Occam · Jan 27, 2022

teratos said:
lol. I shudder to think what it cost.

Well, not as much as the two laser systems she wants “to go with it.” You know, just as accessories.

Honestly, she’s the biggest tool freak I know, and I’ve met ToolAA.

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