Ray Woollard's Attacker Dangerous Until the End

Straightshooter · Sep 10, 2013

This is going to be like waiting for a blockbuster movie to premier. I'm sure Gura will not disappoint us.

Blacksmith101 · Sep 10, 2013

Since he offed himself with a gun he must have had a G&S that worked. I wonder what it was sadly we will never know, he is dead and the state will never tell.

cyclrcr · Sep 10, 2013

I forwarded the news link to Delegate Smigiel. He was very appreciative to read this! I'm sure he will use it appropriately for our fight!

cyclrcr · Sep 10, 2013

Just got another message from Delegate Smigiel; he's forwarding this to Alan Gura from SAF.

swinokur · Sep 10, 2013

No coincidence the news media left out the perp's past history. That would be prejudicial to the state's defense of G & S.

Straightshooter · Sep 10, 2013

I wonder if this "estranged wife" is Ray Woollard's daughter?

CrazySanMan · Sep 10, 2013

I posted this on my FB page, all about the first Abbot break-in and the CCW renewals and denial, and last night's events. My Delegate, John Cluster (R-8) just shared it on FB.

OnTarget · Sep 10, 2013

At about 4:33 pm today, our beloved WJZ TV reported the story, but made NO mention of ANY names (a story without names). How convenient!

Name Taken · Sep 10, 2013

The dead bad guy here was a prohibited person? What was he doing with a firearm? Gun laws at work.

fightinbluhen51 · Sep 10, 2013

OnTarget said:
At about 4:33 pm today, our beloved WJZ TV reported the story, but made NO mention of ANY names (a story without names). How convenient!

I've been listening to WCBM since noon, and they have neglected to mention it as well.

MJD438 · Sep 10, 2013

Based on a Maryland Judiciary Case Search - Kris Abbott had multiple Domestic Violence issues and was incarcerated for Burglary 3rd (10 year maximum sentence). Nice to see that mentioned in the article - they made sure to post about a rifle being found, without bothering to mention that he would have been in illegal possession of said rifle.

Kharn · Sep 10, 2013

I bet the calendar coincidence will really get the conspiracy theorists going. :lol2:

My condolences to the Woollards and Abbotts.

EL1227 · Sep 10, 2013

FIFY ...

Shift said:
This just goes to show that our gun laws need to change, someone this dangerous should have never had access to a gun. We need more restrictive common sense laws that require anyone interested in buying a gun to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, 40 hours of classroom training, 500 rounds of live fire training and sign an affidavit that they will never use their gun against a human or puppies or kittens. They should require all guns be held at local police stations and can only sign them out during hunting season. Also keep strict records of ammunition used and must be bought from local police stations only with a $50 per booollet tax.

EL1227 · Sep 10, 2013

cyclrcr said:
Just got another message from Delegate Smigiel; he's forwarding this to Alan Gura from SAF.

Gura is SAF's attorney here in the DC area. I forwarded it to SAF also, and Emily Miller.

This needs to get WIDE airplay among the 2A crowd.

OnTarget · Sep 10, 2013

fabsroman · Sep 10, 2013

abean4187 said:
I don’t see how this couldn’t help the court case. He was denied a carry permit because this man was deemed to be no longer dangerous and then he turned out to be a suicidal maniac. The fact that the danger is now removed because the man is dead doesn’t take anything away from the fact that his rights were infringed upon months before this event occurred. This is just more reason on why the G&S is a terrible idea. The whole point of a carry permit is to be prepared before bad things happen, not after.

I don't think this will have any bearing on the Court case whatsoever. I'll admit that I have not been following Woollard very closely. However, this almost seems like it would create an out for the Court because the issue is now moot without any threat to Woollard anymore if the Court was going to try and lay some rules in place for what is and is not G&S.

Now, if the Court wants to decide the issue of whether Shall Issue or G&S is the law of the land, then they would still take the case and find a reason to take it.

We shall see what happens. I'd be torn about CCW if Shall Issue becomes the law of the land. I'm not even going to try to screw around with G&S and all the limitations and worries that are included with it.

Straightshooter · Sep 10, 2013

This case is not about Mr. Woollard, it is about the states requirement for G&S. Woollard is simply the vehicle to get the case to where it is. This event will boost Gura's position because it shows the total ineptness of the MSP in determining if a preceived threat is real or not. If they can't get that right, people die. This is proof!

ibang1 · Sep 10, 2013

Sun reported as well.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...y/bs-md-co-barricade-20130910,0,1762253.story

press1280 · Sep 10, 2013

The Sun tied this in with the Woollard case. Very nice

danb · Sep 10, 2013

fabsroman said:
I don't think this will have any bearing on the Court case whatsoever. I'll admit that I have not been following Woollard very closely. However, this almost seems like it would create an out for the Court because the issue is now moot without any threat to Woollard anymore if the Court was going to try and lay some rules in place for what is and is not G&S.

Now, if the Court wants to decide the issue of whether Shall Issue or G&S is the law of the land, then they would still take the case and find a reason to take it.

We shall see what happens. I'd be torn about CCW if Shall Issue becomes the law of the land. I'm not even going to try to screw around with G&S and all the limitations and worries that are included with it.

Seems to me that is circular reasoning. The case is only moot if one assumes you need a G&S reason to have a CCW in the first place.

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