7.62x25 PPU JHP ammo SD?

yugoM57 · Jul 9, 2015

hello.please tell me if this ammo for tokarev is good enough for protection or self defense.And if the expansion is good.

thanks

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tomandjerry00 · Jul 9, 2015

While it doesn't speak to expansion, this makes it appear as a good option:

http://www.soviet-steel.com/showthread.php?t=4090

airsporter · Jul 10, 2015

I have some of this jhp ammo - under the Wolf Gold label - but have yet to test it. But my experience with PPU has been all positive to date.

I would think the little 85gr jhp slug at +1400 fps should be pretty nasty.

MacGuns · Jul 10, 2015

airsporter said:
I have some of this jhp ammo - under the Wolf Gold label - but have yet to test it. But my experience with PPU has been all positive to date.

I would think the little 85gr jhp slug at 1700 fps should be pretty nasty.

I have been shooting the Wolf Gold JHP and have had zero feed issues out of my various tok's (Yugo, Romanian, Polish, and PPS-43.) I haven't done any expansion or gel tests, so I don't know how well it performs for expansion. But zero issues with feeding or reliability.

airsporter · Jul 10, 2015

Here's one report I found:

Serbian-made Prvi Partisan JHP load is economical enough to be use for carry and occasional practice.

This ammunition proved extremely consistent, with measured velocity always in the 1403-1408fps, even in different weather. It’s behavior in gelatin has been quite consistent as well, with 16″ of straight line penetration and reliable expansion to .45 caliber. For comparison, 45ACP Winchester Ranger SXT also penetrates 16″, though expanding to .90 caliber in the meantime. So we can estimate wound channel of 7.62×25 to be similar to that of 45ACP ball, but with penetration limited to that of hollow point bullets. The smaller, faster bullet produces greater temporary stretch cavity due to the higher impact velocity.

yugoM57 · Jul 11, 2015

Thanks for information

kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

Anyone find this ammo in stock somewhere? I found two places that will allow backorder but nothing in stock.

I want to shoot it in a few vests to see how it does...just curious.

MacGuns · Jul 14, 2015

kazan182 said:
Anyone find this ammo in stock somewhere? I found two places that will allow backorder but nothing in stock.

I want to shoot it in a few vests to see how it does...just curious.

I checked my usual sources, right now I'm not seeing JHP available. It seems like they make a batch of JHP once a quarter.

Here is a link that gives you an easy way to track availability.
http://www.wikiarms.com/search?q=jhp&caliber=33

MacGuns · Jul 14, 2015

kazan182 said:
....
I want to shoot it in a few vests to see how it does...just curious.

I will trade you some of mine if you want something to test with.

kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

MacMoov said:
I will trade you some of mine if you want something to test with.

That would be great. I have surplus, I think Bulgarian....

Don't need to much but I have several different threat level vests I use for testing.

MacGuns · Jul 14, 2015

PM sent.

It would be good to test surplus (usually a hotter round), commercial FMJ, and the commercial JHP.

kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

MacMoov said:
PM sent.

It would be good to test surplus (usually a hotter round), commercial FMJ, and the commercial JHP.

I have run several surplus rounds (Czech, Bulgarian and Russian) and all easily pass through the vests I have. IIIA I think. The vests stopped the Mak, std 9mm, etc. without any issues.

engineerbrian · Jul 14, 2015

We did a kevlar panel test and one of the guns used was a Tok. The Tok and a 9mm Largo couldnt touch this stuff.

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kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

engineerbrian said:
We did a kevlar panel test and one of the guns used was a Tok. The Tok and a 9mm Largo couldnt touch this stuff.

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I will watch the video when I get home but the armor I was shooting is true LEO worn armor. Soft body armor. Yours looks like a hardened pressed panel of sorts? Again I will check the threat level when I get home but I think the highest level I shot and penetrated was IIIA. I think a Safariland Gold I believe. Of course, I kept all the panels marking each hit with round and distance information as well.

engineerbrian · Jul 14, 2015

kazan182 said:
I will watch the video when I get home but the armor I was shooting is true LEO worn armor. Soft body armor. Yours looks like a hardened pressed panel of sorts? Again I will check the threat level when I get home but I think the highest level I shot and penetrated was IIIA. I think a Safariland Gold I believe. Of course, I kept all the panels marking each hit with round and distance information as well.

Correct. They are 1/2" thick panels used for a safe room. I thought for sure the Tok and Largo would punch through but they did not.

kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

engineerbrian said:
Correct. They are 1/2" thick panels used for a safe room. I thought for sure the Tok and Largo would punch through but they did not.

That clearly sounds like level III panels. Not std. soft body armor stuff. I have III I wear for work which will stop an M80 round.

I hope you kept some of that stuff to put into a carrier.

engineerbrian · Jul 14, 2015

kazan182 said:
That clearly sounds like level III panels. Not std. soft body armor stuff. I have III I wear for work which will stop an M80 round.

I hope you kept some of that stuff to put into a carrier.

I dont rememebe what level it is bit i say in the begining of the video what it is.

I actually have a lot left over. We're going to do a part 2 of the video and i still need to karma off a few panels as i promised earlier.

kazan182 · Jul 14, 2015

engineerbrian said:
I dont rememebe what level it is bit i say in the begining of the video what it is.

I actually have a lot left over. We're going to do a part 2 of the video and i still need to karma off a few panels as i promised earlier.

Well..I would certainly grab a nice carrier and custom cut some panels to fit. Add a couple side (not sure if you can curve them a bit or not) panels too and you are in business for a fraction of the cost of a true III vest and panels.

I want to give some of the JHP tok ammo a go just out of curiosity on my vests..hence my interest in grabbing a few rounds for testing. I look forward to watching the videos.

airsporter · Jul 29, 2015

Site shows they have it in stock. I never personally ordered from this vendor, but its a very good price:

http://www.surplusammo.com/7-62x25-tokarev-85-grain-jhp-prvi-partizan-ammunition-50-rounds/

Looks like they only have a few boxes in stock.

2nd=Good+Substantial · Jul 29, 2015

kazan182 said:
Anyone find this ammo in stock somewhere? I found two places that will allow backorder but nothing in stock.

I want to shoot it in a few vests to see how it does...just curious.

It's been awhile but I've seen PPU HP for Tok and Mak at Cabela's in Christiana.

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