DetectiveWildman
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- Feb 27, 2018
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Not to start the holy war of holy wars, but in a home defense situatiom sinxe im in a townhouse would 45 being mainly subsonic be better for penetration and hearing? Or just go 9mm for the price?
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danb
dont be a dumbass
In a home defense situation, both will be very very loud without a suppressor. "subsonic" only means that the sonic crack is missing. You still get the boom of powder exploding, which is most of the noise. My 223 (supersonic) with a suppressor is more quiet than my 9mm subsonic without a suppressor, because the boom is most of the boom. If you truly want "quiet" in a townhome, you have to fill out the paperwork and wait 9 months for ATF to give birth to a stamp.
In terms of 45 vs 9mm, my suggestion is to imagine yourself in the future with a pistol. Would it be 9mm Glock, or 1911 45ACP? There is a benefit to having carbine and rifle take the same mags/ammo so go with that.
In terms of 45 vs 9mm, my suggestion is to imagine yourself in the future with a pistol. Would it be 9mm Glock, or 1911 45ACP? There is a benefit to having carbine and rifle take the same mags/ammo so go with that.
For what it's worth I really like my Diamondback DB9R PCC. It's a blowback style and gets really dirty but it feeds reliably, takes Glock mags, and has a last round bolt hold open. All the same controls as an AR so it's good for practicing. I can hit steel at 200yds with the red dot I have on it. I got mine for $599 on Gunbroker but I think they have gone up in price. I switched the, stock, grip, and trigger. The trigger wasn't that bad I just prefer 2 stage triggers.
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/diamondback-firearms/db9rb/
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/781321999
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/diamondback-firearms/db9rb/
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/781321999
MindTheGAP
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Yeah but then you'd be shooting at Select Fire.
Exuberon
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ALL my PCC must have compatible magazines to match/mate the same caliber pistol. Want to up your pistol caliber muzzle velocity? Eject your pistol magazine and slap it directly into the carbine. No fumbling around for a proprietary mag.....No muss, no fuss!
I have a Beretta Cx4 as well as the versatile TNW AERO.
The Beretta CX4 platform can use either Px4 or 92/96 pistol magazines with some easy minor hardware changes. Cx4's are usually seen in 9mm, but also available in .40 or .45 caliber if you really want bigger holes.
Similar to the Just Right carbines are the TNW Firearms -AERO Survival Carbine. These use any appropriate Glock magazines to match the respective Glock pistols. TNW comes in a good variety of pistol calibers and kits that are easily swapped out by user-level field stripping. IMHO TNW Aero Survival is a better firearm than Just Right due to tool-less field strip and caliber adaptability.
I have a Beretta Cx4 as well as the versatile TNW AERO.
The Beretta CX4 platform can use either Px4 or 92/96 pistol magazines with some easy minor hardware changes. Cx4's are usually seen in 9mm, but also available in .40 or .45 caliber if you really want bigger holes.
Similar to the Just Right carbines are the TNW Firearms -AERO Survival Carbine. These use any appropriate Glock magazines to match the respective Glock pistols. TNW comes in a good variety of pistol calibers and kits that are easily swapped out by user-level field stripping. IMHO TNW Aero Survival is a better firearm than Just Right due to tool-less field strip and caliber adaptability.
danb
dont be a dumbass
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
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Back at Det Wildman :
Answer #1 - Yes , .45acp will have much lower muzzle pressure, aka muzzle blast, aka noise .
Answer #2 - All the calibers in question will have much less blast from a 16in bbl than typical handgun lengths .
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Does / Should this matter to you ?
Yes , they will all still be "loud" . But having personal experience firing different cals inside a small barn, there IS a difference between "loud" and "really freaking loud" . Enough for me to switch barn guns from 9mm+P+ to .45Colt .
For Wildman's purposes ? Consider it * A * factor , not necessarily * the *factor . In general factors would also include trajectory ( distance) , compatability with your handguns or other firearms, ammo cost / availability .
Answer #1 - Yes , .45acp will have much lower muzzle pressure, aka muzzle blast, aka noise .
Answer #2 - All the calibers in question will have much less blast from a 16in bbl than typical handgun lengths .
**********
Does / Should this matter to you ?
Yes , they will all still be "loud" . But having personal experience firing different cals inside a small barn, there IS a difference between "loud" and "really freaking loud" . Enough for me to switch barn guns from 9mm+P+ to .45Colt .
For Wildman's purposes ? Consider it * A * factor , not necessarily * the *factor . In general factors would also include trajectory ( distance) , compatability with your handguns or other firearms, ammo cost / availability .
Trekker
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I suppose it depends on how and where you get the TNW PCC. On the manufacturer's website they are listed at $799, and for a while I was considering getting a new one from Top Gun in Fallston at ~$700. However, a fellow MDS member sold me a great condition 9mm one with red dot sight and 3 glock mags for $500. I thought I did pretty well with that deal, but just a few months later at a steel challenge event at Delta PA, one of the other guys got his at Chantilly for $300.
The glock mags are nice due to widespread availability, and the tool-less take down makes it fast to pack up and put in a smaller case. I have only run ~500 rounds through mine, with perhaps 1-2 stovepipe failures when I was trying to go fast. Given the limitation of the red dot sight and my eyes, I cannot tell what is me or what is the gun when printing on paper at 100yards, but the groups are reasonably tight.
DetectiveWildman
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- Feb 27, 2018
- 127
Yeah i know unsupressed guns will all be loud, but itbis nice to know the difference between loud, loud loud, and holy ****. I actually DONT have a handgun, whuch even when paying for the hql would be less than a pcc, but i just strongly prefer long gun/carbines instead. Weird, i know. I figre glock mags is a big selling point since they are everywhere.
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I have been looking at getting a pistol caliber carbine for a while now. Mainly because my daughter loves shooting the 15-22, but not the real AR15. I was researching a few. Some of my friends have different ones, and I have been getting feedback. One guy has a Beretta CX4 Storm, mainly because he's a fanboy, but even he admits it feels cheaply made. I love the look of it, which brings me to my next gun. Another buddy has a HiPoint 995TS. He loves it. He bought it because he got it cheap, has a no worries lifetime warranty, and is secure enough to take the ribbing. Being they have great customer service, and a great warranty, I was considering the 995 and getting the ATI stock to make it look like the CX4. My buddy in TX has the Keltec Sub2k. He says it's ok. I can't get much out of him though. I get the impression he regrets buying it, just doesn't want to admit it, as his answers are shot and vague. He says it will do the job, and he thinks Keltec will fix it if it breaks. I owned a SU16CA that didn't give me confidence, so his lack of enthusiasm doesn't fill me with joy. I will say, he hasn't said anything bad about it, but he does glow about his Mak90 which I think he loves more than his kids ( half joke). I have settled on saving for the CZ Scorpion EVO carbine with fake suppressor. I have read the reviews which are good, and people who own them say they will eat anything, which is good because I will feed it cheap post-commie steel. I have also read just using some subsonic ammo, they are pretty quiet, which my daughter will appreciate. I also think the Scorpion with fake suppressor is a fantastic looking gun. If all goes well, it will probably be a hand me down, which is the end goal.
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