Well there go the pistol braces.

Allen65 · Dec 19, 2020

trickg said:
So I’m clearly ignorant on this topic - what exactly IS a pistol brace?

It's a device that fits over the buffer of an AR-style lower receiver, which as a bracket/strap/other mechanism that allows the rear of the buffer to be secured to the shooter's forearm, in order to allow the firearm to be shot single-handed, like a pistol. This allows owners to legally fit a pistol-length (<16") barrel to an AR without running afoul of the NFA as a short-barreled rifle. Or at least it did.

Most of them look like a very short rifle stock, and some idiots have posted YouTube videos of them using braces like rifle shoulder stocks.

Allen65 · Dec 19, 2020

Riley26 said:
Finally, this notice previews ATF's and the Department of Justice's plan to subsequently implement a separate process for current possessors of stabilizer-equipped firearms to choose to register such firearms in compliance with the NFA, including an expedited application process and the retroactive exemption of such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes.

Just wait until Everytown or one of the other Anti groups sues the GOV because DOJ had no legal authority to waive the NFA tax...and everyone who registered gets socked with a $200 tax bill by court order.

rbird7282 · Dec 19, 2020

Allen65 said:
Just wait until Everytown or one of the other Anti groups sues the GOV because DOJ had no legal authority to waive the NFA tax...and everyone who registered gets socked with a $200 tax bill by court order.

Just wait until GOA or NRA Sue’s the feds for violating federal law regarding the comment period time.

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Johnny5k · Dec 19, 2020

Riley26 said:
Finally, this notice previews ATF's and the Department of Justice's plan to subsequently implement a separate process for current possessors of stabilizer-equipped firearms to choose to register such firearms in compliance with the NFA, including an expedited application process and the retroactive exemption of such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes.

Simple enough, choose not to

Doesn't appear that simple:

"Consequently, following issuance of this notice, ATF and DOJ plan to implement a separate process by which current possessors of affected stabilizer-equipped firearms may choose to register such firearms to be compliant with the NFA. As part of that process, ATF plans to expedite processing of these applications, and ATF has been informed that the Attorney General plans retroactively to exempt such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes if they were made or acquired, prior to the publication of this notice, in good faith. This separate process may include the following options: registering the firearm in compliance with the NFA (described above), permanently removing the stabilizing brace from the firearm and disposing of it, replacing the barrel of the firearm (16” or greater for a rifle, or 18” or greater for a shotgun), surrendering the firearm to ATF, or destroying the firearm."

That still doesnt help Marylanders who have a <10.5 inch barrel pistol with a brace on it. I wonder what those people are going to do.

trickg · Dec 19, 2020

Allen65 said:
It's a device that fits over the buffer of an AR-style lower receiver, which as a bracket/strap/other mechanism that allows the rear of the buffer to be secured to the shooter's forearm, in order to allow the firearm to be shot single-handed, like a pistol. This allows owners to legally fit a pistol-length (<16") barrel to an AR without running afoul of the NFA as a short-barreled rifle. Or at least it did.

Most of them look like a very short rifle stock, and some idiots have posted YouTube videos of them using braces like rifle shoulder stocks.

I see. This for me it's similar to bump stocks. I have no personal interest in it, but at the same time I don't like the idea of having them regulated.

Surely there ATF knows that no one is going to voluntarily say, "here I am!"

jollymon · Dec 19, 2020

Didn't they wave the Tax during the 68 amnesty so why would it be difficult now

teratos · Dec 19, 2020

Will people still be able to do pistols with just the buffer tube and no brace?

Allen65 · Dec 19, 2020

jollymon said:
Didn't they wave the Tax during the 68 amnesty so why would it be difficult now

68 was part of a change in law, with passage of GCA 68, in which case the amnesty was statutory. This is a regulatory change, which doesn't override any existing statutory law.

Kicken Wing · Dec 19, 2020

Johnny5k said:
Doesn't appear that simple:

"Consequently, following issuance of this notice, ATF and DOJ plan to implement a separate process by which current possessors of affected stabilizer-equipped firearms may choose to register such firearms to be compliant with the NFA. As part of that process, ATF plans to expedite processing of these applications, and ATF has been informed that the Attorney General plans retroactively to exempt such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes if they were made or acquired, prior to the publication of this notice, in good faith. This separate process may include the following options: registering the firearm in compliance with the NFA (described above), permanently removing the stabilizing brace from the firearm and disposing of it, replacing the barrel of the firearm (16” or greater for a rifle, or 18” or greater for a shotgun), surrendering the firearm to ATF, or destroying the firearm."

That still doesnt help Marylanders who have a <10.5 inch barrel pistol with a brace on it. I wonder what those people are going to do.

Buffer tube or not comply.

Kicken Wing · Dec 19, 2020

teratos said:
Will people still be able to do pistols with just the buffer tube and no brace?

As far as I can tell the answer is yes. There has been no mention of eliminating buffer tubes in this thing. They were on pistols long before braces came out. The more I read the published notice, the more things I pick up. People like FPC and GOA are going to have a stack of comments to send to the ATF over this one.

CodeWarrior1241 · Dec 19, 2020

What are the consequences of complying and registering through whatever process ATF allows, assuming ownership prior to 12/18?

babalou · Dec 19, 2020

I purchased the Springfield Saint Victor 300 with the SBA3 brace. Still backordered. Supposedly will be mine in Jan. Ordered over the Summer. I want it now so that I can sink it in the Chesapeake.

Muleskinner · Dec 19, 2020

CodeWarrior1241 said:
What are the consequences of complying and registering through whatever process ATF allows, assuming ownership prior to 12/18?

They now know what you have and they know where to find you when they come to take it.

spoon059 · Dec 19, 2020

Muleskinner said:
They now know what you have and they know where to find you when they come to take it.

Ha, you think they didn't know before?

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Speed3 · Dec 19, 2020

Muleskinner said:
They now know what you have and they know where to find you when they come to take it.

When will the official info be released? Some might need to take the brave off or register as a SBR.

Some people are already on the list, so the extra registrations aren't huge except for the 5320 out of state travel issues.

Inigoes · Dec 19, 2020

CodeWarrior1241 said:
What are the consequences of complying and registering through whatever process ATF allows, assuming ownership prior to 12/18?

You have to ask permission well in advance, to take the firearm to another state.

Failure to do so, carries severe penalties.

Muleskinner · Dec 19, 2020

spoon059 said:
Ha, you think they didn't know before?

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How could they? NICS checks dont mention manufacturers, models or caliber..(sarcasm) or so ive been told

Oh3 · Dec 19, 2020

Inigoes said:
You have to ask permission well in advance, to take the firearm to another state.

Failure to do so, carries severe penalties.

And as someone that lives close to PA with friends I there to shoot with on spur of the moment this sucks. I’ll submit a request for every weekend

spoon059 · Dec 19, 2020

Muleskinner said:
How could they? NICS checks dont mention manufacturers, models or caliber..(sarcasm) or so ive been told

Why does why of that matter? If they are coming for guns, they don't care about any of that. All that matters is that you bought a big, scary evil gun.

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CodeWarrior1241 · Dec 19, 2020

spoon059 said:
Why does why of that matter? If they are coming for guns, they don't care about any of that. All that matters is that you bought a big, scary evil gun.

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Small and scary is exempt from confiscation, right?!

Well there go the pistol braces.

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