I really want an AR but I live in DC :(

Turbohugh · Apr 17, 2018

I've been researching the options .> I know there's the Ares SCR [uggh] , and although I've read the Dc Firearms regulations over and over I get confused by the conflict between 'Legally acceptable if it's listed on MD, Ca, or Ma..but illegal if it's an Ar or Ak platform' .. I guess the acceptance list applies to pistols ? That seems to rule out the AR-556 Ruger.

So I started looking into 80% lowers [polymer vs al]. My concern is
---Say I purchased a 80% kit. Should be all fine as long as it's not a 'firearm'.
But, say I assemble this into a firearm. Now technically what I'm readying this should be fine as well, however [state??] laws may be getting grayer.

my concern is should I want to take this firearm to a range in VA or MD and get stopped, car accident, medical emergency suddenly firearm is discovered in trunk ..
Would I be in violation of firearm laws?
What if there was an incident that required discharge of this firearm. Would I be suddenly charged with a criminal violation?
Anyone with personal or legal experience ?
Moving is not an option at this time ..

Thanks in advance.

iH8DemLibz · Apr 17, 2018

If an AR or AK rifle is illegal in DC, then a completed 80% AR or AK receiver would be illegal in DC.

If you mill out an 80, it becomes a 100. And still a firearm. Whether you finish the build or not.

Buy a rifle that's legal in DC. You'll sleep better. And you won't have to worry about auto accidents, medical concerns, negligent discharges, and criminal violations.

Skirting the law usually bites people in the A$$.

DC45 · Apr 17, 2018

https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/7-2504.01.html

“No person or organization shall manufacture any firearm, destructive device or parts thereof, or ammunition, within the District”

I’d recommend keeping your especially fun stuff across the border.

Edit: this law goes on to say that handloading for your registered firearms is ok

3paul10 · Apr 17, 2018

Whatever you do make sure you are 100% legal. You may be sorry later....

swinokur · Apr 17, 2018

Is there a difference between building or assembling and manufacturing?

Sundazes · Apr 17, 2018

As I see it, you have 3 choices, break the law, buy something legal or move.
I would go with option 2 or 3.

DC45 · Apr 17, 2018

swinokur said:
Is there a difference between building or assembling and manufacturing?

I don’t think either term is defined in that chapter.

IANAL, so I’d be speculating on what the terms mean in this case.

Biggfoot44 · Apr 17, 2018

Option A - Forget about AR-15, get your 5.56 fix with Mini 14 , rub into your MDS friends " Ha Ha ! I have Shall Issue CCW, and you don't ! "

Option B - Move .

krucam · Apr 17, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
Option A - Forget about AR-15, get your 5.56 fix with Mini 14 , rub into your MDS friends " Ha Ha ! I have Shall Issue CCW, and you don't ! "

Option B - Move .

Weren't piston operated rifles deemed "Not an AR", ie an LWRC?

Muleskinner · Apr 17, 2018

Turbohugh said:
I've been researching the options .> I know there's the Ares SCR [uggh] , and although I've read the Dc Firearms regulations over and over I get confused by the conflict between 'Legally acceptable if it's listed on MD, Ca, or Ma..but illegal if it's an Ar or Ak platform' .. I guess the acceptance list applies to pistols ? That seems to rule out the AR-556 Ruger.

So I started looking into 80% lowers [polymer vs al]. My concern is
---Say I purchased a 80% kit. Should be all fine as long as it's not a 'firearm'.
But, say I assemble this into a firearm. Now technically what I'm readying this should be fine as well, however [state??] laws may be getting grayer.

my concern is should I want to take this firearm to a range in VA or MD and get stopped, car accident, medical emergency suddenly firearm is discovered in trunk ..
Would I be in violation of firearm laws?
What if there was an incident that required discharge of this firearm. Would I be suddenly charged with a criminal violation?
Anyone with personal or legal experience ?
Moving is not an option at this time ..

Thanks in advance.

OK got to ask....What's wrong with the Fightlite (formerly ARES) SCR? I own 2. In fact I was the person responsible in Maryland for their MSP approval, as I purchased the first one they, or my FFL had ever seen. It's a sweet shooter, legal and a fine option if a "real" AR is not an option. They will accept any AR15 caliber upper, they accept AR15 mags, they are completely customizable light as a feather and very accurate. i have one set up in 300BO and at 125 yards a can cover a 5 round group with a quarter with just a 4 power scouting scope on it.

OH and no need for a heavy barrel either..

RedTide · Apr 17, 2018

I can understand the hangup in not wanting an SCR. Given the OP's situation, though, it's much better than nothing or breaking the law.

It's motivated me to keep my eyes open for one, though. Things are pretty cool, and would be a great conversation piece for those afraid of a scary looking gun with "features".

Muleskinner · Apr 17, 2018

RedTide said:
I can understand the hangup in not wanting an SCR. Given the OP's situation, though, it's much better than nothing or breaking the law.

It's motivated me to keep my eyes open for one, though. Things are pretty cool, and would be a great conversation piece for those afraid of a scary looking gun with "features".

Just buy the lower from Brownells and then get whatever upper you want. (it also comes as a pistol)

https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=scr&ksubmit=y

gamer_jim · Apr 17, 2018

Maybe contact NRA-IL or SAF or GOA and ask if they will take the case?

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RedTide · Apr 17, 2018

Muleskinner said:
Just buy the lower from Brownells and then get whatever upper you want. (it also comes as a pistol)

https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=scr&ksubmit=y

Thanks!

Biggfoot44 · Apr 17, 2018

Since the OP lives in DC , and AR rifles and AR pistols are No Bueno , would DC approve an AR lower ?

eruby · Apr 17, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
Option A - Forget about AR-15, get your 5.56 fix with Mini 14 , rub into your MDS friends " Ha Ha ! I have Shall Issue CCW, and you don't ! "

Option B - Move .

Turbohugh · Apr 17, 2018

DC45 said:
https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/7-2504.01.html

“No person or organization shall manufacture any firearm, destructive device or parts thereof, or ammunition, within the District”

I’d recommend keeping your especially fun stuff across the border.

Edit: this law goes on to say that handloading for your registered firearms is ok

This trumps all .. Thanks .> The non-lawyer in me says this violates my constitutional rights!

Turbohugh · Apr 17, 2018

Muleskinner said:
OK got to ask....What's wrong with the Fightlite (formerly ARES) SCR? I own 2. In fact I was the person responsible in Maryland for their MSP approval, as I purchased the first one they, or my FFL had ever seen. It's a sweet shooter, legal and a fine option if a "real" AR is not an option. They will accept any AR15 caliber upper, they accept AR15 mags, they are completely customizable light as a feather and very accurate. i have one set up in 300BO and at 125 yards a can cover a 5 round group with a quarter with just a 4 power scouting scope on it.

OH and no need for a heavy barrel either..

Hmmm.. You make a good argument. I admit , I never handled one. I've seen only one in person at MSAR . I don't have a hangup on the looks, I just really wanted a Ruger Ar-556 ..

Maybe I will look closer into the Ares .. The accuracy is a good selling point thanks for commenting .

Turbohugh · Apr 17, 2018

Thanks everyone I think I like the idea of the SCR > federal charges ..
Getting the lower from Brunells may be a good idea since I should be able to match it with the upper of my choice.

Stay safe and vigilant .

DC45 · Apr 17, 2018

Don’t get the pistol lower, though. They won’t let you register that, since it would be a pistol that has the “capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip” not to mention the threaded barrel you’d probably put on it.

I really want an AR but I live in DC :(

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