Is the 2nd Amendment all but dead?

davsco · Jan 6, 2021

Norton said:
We can see the current playbook.

Every statement starts with, "No one is taking your guns, all this proposal is........"

They know that they aren't to the point of physically taking them from those that currently have them. There's virtually no one who has the stomach for what that would mean.

Just like the left has patiently consumed our country over generations, they will do the same here.

1. Steer belief systems of young people away from the concept of gun ownership.
2. Create a culture that demonizes gun owners as racist, bigoted, uneducated.
3. Limit opportunities for young people to interact with firearms positively.
4. Create barriers on the on ramps to new ownership.
5. Impose higher taxes on ownership.
6. Create inordinate storage requirements.
7. Drive gun ranges and clubs out of existence.
8. Prohibit the transfer of currently owned firearms, particularly intergenerational through wills.

All along, the can honestly say, "no one is coming to take your guns, all this does is....."

not sure if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing or what? yes, "they" are making it harder for "us." we're also making it harder for us because we're not getting younger generations into hunting and shooting, less people doing it = less people voting for it. do i think they will go door to door taking guns, no. but yes on making it harder to keep, use and carry, which will eventually have the same result.

bibitor · Jan 6, 2021

TheBert said:
It is difficult to change an organization or system while standing outside casting stones, yelling statements and generally being a pest. If you want to change an organization or system you need to do it from within.

This means get involved directly in politics and possibly get elected to a local, state or federal office.

You don't aim for the capstone on a pyramid when trying to tear it down, you have to break-up the base.

AssMan · Jan 6, 2021

smokey0118 said:
It depends on the courts and then it depends on the people. If the SC remains intact, the pres/congress can try pushing infringements, but the SC should strike them down. If the SC is compromised by court stacking, it should be a red line crossed to bring Americans off the bench.

What does that mean though? Hot conflict? If so, who are the combatants? Quit paying taxes? Go off the grid? Kill your neighbors for flying a Biden flag?

I think that without a plan/definitives and ROE, even people that want to get off the bench, won't.

aquaman · Jan 6, 2021

snallygaster said:
What does that mean though? Hot conflict? If so, who are the combatants? Quit paying taxes? Go off the grid? Kill your neighbors for flying a Biden flag?

I think that without a plan/definitives and ROE, even people that want to get off the bench, won't.

I have a feeling it might look like some version of Iraq in 2007 or Yugoslavia. Not a good look.

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

Everyone should probably calm down.

There is wayyyy too much industry involved in American gun manufacturing for the Chamber of Commerce to allow anything egregious to happen. The political will just isn't there either, with a majority of Americans supporting gun ownership. Also, there isn't an enforcement mechanism in place that would facilitate any serious policy changes. There are like, 2500 ATF agents. Compared to 400 million firearms. Plus, the judiciary from top to bottom is overwhelmingly pro-gun ownership.

Every 4 years there is a panic and the only beneficiary are the industry leaders that profit from our panic buying. Just try and relax. Take good political action (Call/Write/Email your congressman) but try and relax.

bigmancrisler · Jan 6, 2021

davsco said:
not sure if you're agreeing with me, disagreeing or what? yes, "they" are making it harder for "us." we're also making it harder for us because we're not getting younger generations into hunting and shooting, less people doing it = less people voting for it. do i think they will go door to door taking guns, no. but yes on making it harder to keep, use and carry, which will eventually have the same result.

This is why every single person I come in contact with especially my age (young 20s late teens) I always invite them to come shooting with me, regardless of their political ideology. I would rather spend the time and money to get someone into guns, or at the very least let them see they aren’t all bad like the media and left makes it out to be. I always offer after taking them shooting that if they want to go buy one I’ll go with them and help them with the process. I have also noticed that more and more people in my age range and younger are becoming more and more out spoken in their conservative beliefs. I have noticed that older people (30+) are more scared to voice their conservative views and are quick to say “oh them stupid liberals”. Yes I know it is difficult to have a discussion with them but I feel that taking the time to convince them to go to the range with me (not trying to convince them that they’re wrong and I’m right) has done more to reshape their thinking.

TLDR: Take a young person out with a 10/22, a brick of ammo, and let them mag dump and see how fun it is. DO NOT BRING OUT YOUR 308 AND HAVE THEM SHOOT THAT THE VERY FIRST TIME. WORK UP TO IT.

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Bolts Rock · Jan 6, 2021

Leftist said:
There is wayyyy too much industry involved in American gun manufacturing for the Chamber of Commerce to allow anything egregious to happen. The political will just isn't there either, with a majority of Americans supporting gun ownership. Also, there isn't an enforcement mechanism in place that would facilitate any serious policy changes. There are like, 2500 ATF agents. Compared to 400 million firearms. Plus, the judiciary from top to bottom is overwhelmingly pro-gun ownership.

Every 4 years there is a panic and the only beneficiary are the industry leaders that profit from our panic buying. Just try and relax. Take good political action (Call/Write/Email your congressman) but try and relax.

What was your screen name before you got banned?

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

aquaman said:
I have a feeling it might look like some version of Iraq in 2007 or Yugoslavia. Not a good look.

LMAO The US is not going to turn into Iraq, dude. Let's try and chill out.

AssMan · Jan 6, 2021

aquaman said:
I have a feeling it might look like some version of Iraq in 2007 or Yugoslavia. Not a good look.

I'm not really talking about CW2, I'm posing a slightly different question. Hypothetically, let's say packing the courts is the red line and we're ready to do something about it...what exactly is the "something" everyone keeps talking about? Lot's of people (likely millions) would like to do "something" but they're not the type to instigate conflict.

So again I ask, is it civil disobedience? Is it meeting/resisting confiscation with force? Is it selectively targeting the media and political class?

To be clear I'm not advocating for anything here, I'm simply pointing out that most Americans are going to need some direction if they ultimately decide to do "something."

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

Bolts Rock said:
What was your screen name before you got banned?

This is my first account. I was looking for a new carry gun and found this forum.

bibitor · Jan 6, 2021

Leftist said:
This is my first account. I was looking for a new carry gun and found this forum.

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

bibitor said:

lol I see I may have made a mistake.

Sirex · Jan 6, 2021

To be fully removed I think it has to be accepted by what, 3/4 of the states? I mean, there certainly is a chance of that now, with liberals fleeing their own high tax states and infecting formerly conservative states. I thinknthe 2A will remain in name only, basically whittled down piece by piece, from executive actions and state and local laws. Typically like Fuddism. "Yeah, I believe in the second amendment and the right to bear arms, but who needs a fully semi automatic weapon? Who needs 30 rounds to hunt deer? A double barrel shotgun is all you need for home defense. You don't need a semi automatic pistol with a 17 round clip, a 6 shot .38 is all my Pappy used to carry, and he was a cop."
That kind of mentality towards the right to bear arms. I think we just experienced the golden age of firearms ownership, and we may surpass the UK and Canada in terms of ******** regulations.

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

Sirex said:
To be fully removed I think it has to be accepted by what, 3/4 of the states? I mean, there certainly is a chance of that now, with liberals fleeing their own high tax states and infecting formerly conservative states. I thinknthe 2A will remain in name only, basically whittled down piece by piece, from executive actions and state and local laws. Typically like Fuddism. "Yeah, I believe in the second amendment and the right to bear arms, but who needs a fully semi automatic weapon? Who needs 30 rounds to hunt deer? A double barrel shotgun is all you need for home defense. You don't need a semi automatic pistol with a 17 round clip, a 6 shot .38 is all my Pappy used to carry, and he was a cop."
That kind of mentality towards the right to bear arms. I think we just experienced the golden age of firearms ownership, and we may surpass the UK and Canada in terms of ******** regulations.

I'm normally not one to extol the virtues of the amount of judiciary review present in American politics, but I can assure you the judiciary is overwhelmingly pro-gun. Trump was unprecedented in the level of failure he experienced as a politician, but good lordy did he jam some Judges in seats.

AssMan · Jan 6, 2021

Leftist said:
lol I see I may have made a mistake.

I would argue that your father made the mistake, but I digress.

bibitor · Jan 6, 2021

Leftist said:
lol I see I may have made a mistake.

I agree with you the US is not going to turn into Iraq.

I'm laughing about a guy with the screen name leftist looking for a new carry gun while residing in Maryland. You have to admit, it's a lot of irony in one short post.

davsco · Jan 6, 2021

bigmancrisler said:
This is why every single person I come in contact with especially my age (young 20s late teens) I always invite them to come shooting with me, regardless of their political ideology. I would rather spend the time and money to get someone into guns, or at the very least let them see they aren’t all bad like the media and left makes it out to be. I always offer after taking them shooting that if they want to go buy one I’ll go with them and help them with the process. I have also noticed that more and more people in my age range and younger are becoming more and more out spoken in their conservative beliefs. I have noticed that older people (30+) are more scared to voice their conservative views and are quick to say “oh them stupid liberals”. Yes I know it is difficult to have a discussion with them but I feel that taking the time to convince them to go to the range with me (not trying to convince them that they’re wrong and I’m right) has done more to reshape their thinking.

TLDR: Take a young person out with a 10/22, a brick of ammo, and let them mag dump and see how fun it is. DO NOT BRING OUT YOUR 308 AND HAVE THEM SHOOT THAT THE VERY FIRST TIME. WORK UP TO IT.

+10,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we only get it back by having more numbers on our side!

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

bibitor said:
I agree with you the US is not going to turn into Iraq.

I'm laughing about a guy with the screen name leftist looking for a new carry gun while residing in Maryland. You have to admit, it's a lot of irony in one short post.

Well, I've been a gun owner all my life. I have my CCW. Am I not allowed to carry if I'm a leftist?

I think there is a severe misunderstanding within the conservative movement about who the real gun control enemies and supporters are. As someone with a background in political science, I would argue that misunderstanding has led to really, really bad politics from the right that has directly led to the gun-control sentiment found in suburban whites.

Leftist · Jan 6, 2021

snallygaster said:
I would argue that your father made the mistake, but I digress.

My father? What a welcoming place.

TheBert · Jan 6, 2021

Leftist said:
LMAO The US is not going to turn into Iraq, dude. Let's try and chill out.

The Balkanization of the USA has been underway for decades.

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