What is your breaking point for a Revolution?

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  • DavidA

    The Master of Disaster
    Dec 6, 2013
    405
    Annapolis
    Gentlemen I am a new member to the forum. have watched from the shadows for years and thought at some point I should get involved. My children are all out of the house. Revolution is relative to time. Revolution can be contained and march slowly or it can go quickly and be explosive. When it marches slowly it is called "progressive" I have target shot for years and I acquired my first AR about a year and a half ago feeling this coming.

    I was a business major in college with a minor in history. Always liked to try to figure out the catalyst for change both good and bad in society. What we are experiencing here is a shift in culture. /it starts in are formative years. Years ago we were indoctrinated as "rugged survivalist" We read "Old man and the sea and such. We were taught to be self reliant and to be reverent of authority. Government was not either good or bad.

    But with the fear generated by the great depression people were willing to give up some freedom in order to feel safe. Social Security and such. After WWII there was still much in this nation that needed to be addressed in particular the aspect of race and most of us supported activities to end racism and do as Martin Luther King suggested not judge a man by the color of his skin but rather by his character. However progressive saw this as a weakness in our position and used it to promote a ever broadening scope of government regulation and intervention to solve societies problems.

    Unlike Dr. Martin Luther King who sought resolution be uniting us under God. The politicians have taken to winning based upon dividing us. They have divided us into smaller and smaller groups and pit one against the other. All the while they promote government as the answer to protecting us from ourselves. As I eluded to education earlier the young are not indoctrinated with lesson on rugged individualism but rather on collectivism. Collectivism is good and bring out the best in us. People who are individualist are evil.

    So the young grow up willing to accept collectivist values because they see them as good, and individual activity as bad. Politician feed on this. They are merely reflections of society. Politicians only take advantage of public sentiment to stay in power. If you listened to President Obama"s acceptance speech in Denver it was all to telling about his mission. It was titled" The American Promise" and for 45 minutes he went on and on about promise this promise that. You just could have swapped entitled for every "promise" It was a list of entitlements. Collectivism at its best.

    Sort of like the Pied Piper of Hamlin as he leads the Lemmings of the cliffs. What a great tune. Sounds great. Problem is as it always has over thousand of years, collectivism or socialism or Marxism does not work. The real question is as the Government get more powerful redistributing wealth and entitling more and more people, how does it end. With Rome it ended in Social and Economic collapse. In Russia it ended with economic and social collapse.

    It ma not be the case in the United states though. Problem is people are to educated. Yes the music sounds great but when we get to the edge of the cliffs will we refuse to jump. I think the Affordable care act is just that. We are huddled at the edge of the cliff and while there are many winners in the Affordable Care Act (Laugh) there are way to many losers. So if they all refuse to follow the reality before them to which the music has led them, that is revolution.

    I believe we are there. We are about to witness a revolution. Of course if we renounce these ideas and appoint politicians that reflect this thinking we are saved for at least a while. The question is do the youth who see this happening see this as only a small thing or does it make them wake up and say" Wow almost went over that one" Not going there again.

    We shall see. It depends on as many of us as there are voicing this to our colleges friend s and family. If it is a small whimper then this will only be a small pit stop as it were on the march towards progressivism. If it is a roar? There is hope in can be attenuated.
     

    Antifeik

    Active Member
    May 26, 2013
    156
    I find talk of "revolution" to be rather amusing. Even with WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the conflicts in South America, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan, I'm betting that still less than 1% of the US population has seen or served in a combat zone. It's easy to talk big and bad about "revolution" without realizing the reality of what that involves. The things that occur in combat are some of the most horrific in the human experience. I'm not a big fan of paying taxes or of many government oversteps but, seriously, if you know the reality of combat you understand that neither taxes nor government regulation comes even close to being bad enough to want the alternative. A revolution is a war - and a particularily bloody one at that.

    :thumbsup:
     

    DavidA

    The Master of Disaster
    Dec 6, 2013
    405
    Annapolis
    DavidA

    Best first post in a long while. Welcome aboard.
    You are welcome. Hopefully together we can impact change or at least bend the course of future events. It took us a while to get to this point. It will take a while to change what the left has spent years working on. I am a believer though that maybe this is all good. Just lie the frog in the kettle. Raise the temperature slowly and it will sit the and acclimate to the surrounding temperature until at some point it is cooked. Raise it quickly and the frog will recognize it's surroundings and at least make an effort to get out before it's to late. I'd say the Unaffordable Care Act does that quite nicely. How I feel while important is not as important as how do the other 300 million frogs feel. I hope they decide to get out of the pot, for our children and grand children's sakes.
     

    DavidA

    The Master of Disaster
    Dec 6, 2013
    405
    Annapolis
    I had some more time to ponder this yesterday. To some here Revolution means war. War is hell!!!
    I do not want to go there and anybody who wanted it to is clearly one French fry from a happy meal. We do not need war. We need to re instill in our youth with the purpose at the inception of this republic. The framework is set up to make the federal government weak in terms of running the business of the individual states. The federal government was set up to provide for a united military to protect the states and to provide for common currency to promote commerce between the states. The constitution and the Federalist papers and much the dialogue between the framers reflects this.

    The problem is that with the formation of the federal reserve and the new deal the role of the Federal government changed. All of which is beyond the scope of the federal powers. However "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" has allowed us to star a revolution of its own. Without a shot fired the Federal government usurped the authority of the states. This is the beginnings of the path we are currently on. The federal government. the congress the senate all operate in a unconstitutional manner. Their campaigns for office all promote how they are going to do this or do that by enacting new laws and regulations. Somehow they can fix it. Both the left and the right. Hold on a second!!!! The constitutions says these powers are to reside in the sates.

    We have progressed beyond the powers of the federal government as set by the constitution. However we are a sick society and this is all run under the guise of protecting us. How we got here is irrelevant. What is relevant is how do we reverse this direction. Because as pointed out in earlier post our current President takes great pride in completely disregarding he constitution. Why he is not called to the table on his actions is simple. All of the political elites feel the same way. They just think their ideas are better. If only they were dictator, things would be better. Unfortunately everything they do is diametrically opposed to the constitution and the will and intent of the framers.

    Revolution has occurred. It was a peaceful revolution and won on a battlefield of ideology. We all partook in the process and we all had some part in creating what we have today. As our current President has said. his goal is to finally fundamentally transform the nation. What does he mean by transform. My guess is he means he wants to transform us form us completely to no longer operating as a constitutional republic and making our nation a federally run central government with all the power in Washington. Here the elite can decide what is best for us all.

    What is amazing is that the States sit by and do nothing to stop it. Why!!! My best guess is most of these politicians all wish it were them dictating. Just as our dear Governor vies to be on the National ticket. There will be revolution though and many people have pointed to this as well. If the american public, the " We the people" do not rise and vote in appropriate individuals to stem this there are other alternatives that will happen. Because as stated earlier not everyone is not going to be willing to go over the cliff. There will be attempts by certain red states to succeed from the union.

    I guess the question is will the Feds let his happen. This is the real point of outright revolution. How or what the Federal government does at this point will determine whether we have a peaceful or violent revolution. I hope it stops at phase one and we vote all the bums out. Except here in the communist state of Maryland. If not though phase II will occur. It is only a question of time. My guess is the states will succeed and the feds will have to deal with it. Of course there is the question of economics. While
    intertwined with the questions of revolution it is another subject.

    God " Please get rid of the King"
     
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    FMD

    Active Member
    I had some more time to ponder this yesterday. To some here Revolution means war. War is hell!!!
    I do not want to go there and anybody who wanted it to is clearly one French fry from a happy meal. We do not need war. We need to re instill in our youth with the purpose at the inception of this republic. The framework is set up to make the federal government weak in terms of running the business of the individual states. The federal government was set up to provide for a united military to protect the states and to provide for common currency to promote commerce between the states. The constitution and the Federalist papers and much the dialogue between the framers reflects this..

    You nailed it! :thumbsup:
     

    Bob A

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    The problem is that with the formation of the federal reserve and the new deal the role of the Federal government changed. All of which is beyond the scope of the federal powers. However "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" has allowed us to star a revolution of its own. Without a shot fired the Federal government usurped the authority of the states. This is the beginnings of the path we are currently on. The federal government. the congress the senate all operate in a unconstitutional manner. Their campaigns for office all promote how they are going to do this or do that by enacting new laws and regulations. Somehow they can fix it. Both the left and the right. Hold on a second!!!! The constitutions says these powers are to reside in the sates.


    There will be attempts by certain red states to succeed from the union.

    Started earlier than that. Look to Lincoln for the beginning of the process. (Your line about secession is interesting; you'll recall the events of the 1860s revolved around just that issue, and it was slapped down pretty strongly at the time.)

    BTW, welcome.
     

    jpo183

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 20, 2013
    4,116
    in Maryland
    Its a money thing not necessarily an "I want to be King thing" with the states. The Fed dangles money, the state accepts, the state politician brags about what they did.
     

    spank308

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    Jul 24, 2012
    109
    To the ones who say they don't see it yet will never see it until they come to your door for a tax audit or any other reason because you spoke up against them. Not every revolution requires firing a shot. They have been going after people one by one for speaking up. Hell, that is why everyone is afraid of saying something on a forum. By that in itself says we are there. Obama care may stir up the people, we shall see.
     

    JMangle

    Handsome Engineer
    May 11, 2008
    816
    Mississippi
    Since you guys are East Coast dudes I don't know how much you know about Chris Donner.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner

    He was the ex-cop/sailor that decided to take on LAPD last year. It was amazing how much damage he did. The police literally quite enforcing laws other than violent felonies that were in the process of being committed. The sheer manpower that was sent after one guy willing to die sort of made you wonder if that had been 50 guys all acting in tandem up and down California what would have happened.

    You can't Corner Dorner.
     

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    Al Norris

    Spud Head
    Dec 1, 2010
    746
    Rupert, Idaho
    What is amazing is that the States sit by and do nothing to stop it. Why!!!

    Why? Because you have to go a little further back in your history.

    In our Constitution, the States were given power via representation. Those States Representatives within the Federal framework, were their Senators. That is, until we people were hoodwinked into believing a "progressive" lie and voted in an amendment that took away States Representation, by popular vote (see amendment 17).

    Before this, if a State did not like what their Senator was doing in D.C., they recalled and replaced them.

    That and that alone was the brightline start of the "progressive" era.
     

    Bob A

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    Before this, if a State did not like what their Senator was doing in D.C., they recalled and replaced them.

    Sadly, I don't see the MD legislature recalling our senators, absent the 17th Amendment.
     

    GUNSnROTORS

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    Since you guys are East Coast dudes I don't know how much you know about Chris Donner.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner

    He was the ex-cop/sailor that decided to take on LAPD last year. It was amazing how much damage he did. The police literally quite enforcing laws other than violent felonies that were in the process of being committed. The sheer manpower that was sent after one guy willing to die sort of made you wonder if that had been 50 guys all acting in tandem up and down California what would have happened.

    I've heard of this murdering coward. He was all over the national news. Had there been 50 of them, there'd be 50 dead cowards now.
     

    Mr H

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    I've heard of this murdering coward. He was all over the national news. Had there been 50 of them, there'd be 50 dead cowards now.

    While this much is true, there could also be several dozen (to several hundred) innocent corpses.

    IMO, Donner had a bad plan (thankfully!!), and he ended up painting himself into a corner. If he had REALLY been what we were expected to believe, there would have been a much more significant death toll.
     

    Ab_Normal

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    Feb 2, 2010
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    I've heard of this murdering coward. He was all over the national news. Had there been 50 of them, there'd be 50 dead cowards now.

    Maybe. But given the sheer amount of manpower they put into catching this guy do you think they would have had enough police resources to go after 49 more?

    Up to that point I don't recall there ever being a manhunt of that size and that focused. Does anybody know why they put so much manpower into catching him?
     

    GUNSnROTORS

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    Maybe. But given the sheer amount of manpower they put into catching this guy do you think they would have had enough police resources to go after 49 more?

    Up to that point I don't recall there ever being a manhunt of that size and that focused. Does anybody know why they put so much manpower into catching him?

    They'd have "me" to help them. Dorner murdered LEOs, apparently because he was a loon, so personally I cannot consider his heinous crimes as a hypothetical example within the context of this thread. It is my sincere hope that if 50 such monsters were to rise up and act in unison, "we" would all react together, against them.
     

    DavidA

    The Master of Disaster
    Dec 6, 2013
    405
    Annapolis
    In our Constitution, the States were given power via representation. Those States Representatives within the Federal framework, were their Senators. That is, until we people were hoodwinked into believing a "progressive" lie and voted in an amendment that took away States Representation, by popular vote (see amendment 17).

    Before this, if a State did not like what their Senator was doing in D.C., they recalled and replaced them.

    That and that alone was the brightline start of the "progressive" era.

    Yes you bring a valid point. Obviously I could not post a whole litany of supporting documentation, But you are correct. What I think is most important is the sense that " We the people have lost control, and I mean complete control. They are not our servants. We are their servants and they punish us if we do not agree and comply. Which has been pointed out why people are afraid to speak up.

    Example: The last government shut down. They selectively punished the Military and our veterans. Going out of their way and spending money to shut down open air memorials in DC. To punish all who served. Most of them our finest generation. What a show of gratitude by a group of pompous asses. Got me pissed off. I went down with the group that tore down the barricades and threw them on the white house lawn. Both my parents died last year. Both Navy Veterans in the Pacific in world war II, what a disgrace to our nation to all those who have served. I just could not sit by and let these political hacks dishonor them and their comrades in arms.

    Then to top it off just in case that was not enough of an insult. They open the mall to illegal aliens the next week and individuals in congress go to greet the crowds. Go figure!! As some have said with immigration reform on the burner, they are the future politically. Alright already! Yes our generation will pass on soon enough!!! But why go out of your way to insult us and our families. If that is not the color of Tyranny. Then there is no palette to display it.

    Personally I chose not to serve in the Military (they were lucky) but when you take cheap shots at a bunch of 95 year old men in wheel chairs, I am ashamed of what our nation and leaders have become. What I can not figure out is how does the Country see all this and not demand buts and buts know. Democrat Republican Libertarian makes not matter your opinion or viewpoint, when you take on one of my brothers, you take on me. I just wish more people voiced this. Came from a family of nine boys and one girl so I can personally relate to that.

    In the end BIG BROTHER is watching and with great joy he is tracking our every post. They will probably try to destroy us all. Who cares though because we speak the truth. As Milton said" Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven"
     
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    Les Gawlik

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    Apr 2, 2009
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    I don't see any real confrontation with authorities in the future, except for a few minor skirmishes. I think there will be a slide into economic collapse. Inflation will destroy the purchasing power of everyone, but especially those on public benefits. There will be widespread discontent. Every aspect of our life, as we know it, will change.

    But we will get through. We will need people with skills and talent, even more so than now. There will be plenty of room for the next generations. But life will be different.

    We may rise again into prominence in the world. I will never see it, nor will my children. But one day.
     

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