NY, CA, 16 state AGs sue ATF over 80% lowers

Nickberg500 · Dec 27, 2020

Delete if this is a duplicate, but I'm not seeing anyone else posting about it. Looks like our buddy Frosh has joined forces in a new lawsuit against the ATF.

https://youtu.be/i7Wh6aVjt80

AssMan · Dec 27, 2020

In case you don't want to watch the video...

The attorneys general of D.C., Maryland and Virginia are supporting a federal lawsuit seeking to have the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regulate the widely sold parts of homemade “ghost guns” as firearms, in an attempt to stop the steadily increasing use of the untraceable firearms in crimes across the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/12/24/ghost-guns-litigation/

GOG-MD · Dec 27, 2020

From Frosh, I'd expect nothing less. Hope the lawsuit doesn't go anywhere.

Boats · Dec 27, 2020

I hope it goes the same way as the last one, vis-a-vis when the courts determined that the AR15 lower cannot be considered a firearm right before New York withdrew the case

Nickberg500 · Dec 27, 2020

snallygaster said:
In case you don't want to watch the video...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/12/24/ghost-guns-litigation/

Additionally if anyone wants to read that article without paying for it, just disable JavaScript.

Sirex · Dec 27, 2020

If, an 80% is technically NOT a firearm, how can the ATF have any say over it anyway? By that logic, should they regulate pipes at Home Depot that could easily be made into slamfire ghost guns???

Allen65 · Dec 28, 2020

GOG-MD said:
From Frosh, I'd expect nothing less. Hope the lawsuit doesn't go anywhere.

Gawd, when is some fed-up Federal judge finally going to declare Frosh a vexatious litigant and put an end to his constant stream of frivilous nuisance suits?

cantstop · Dec 28, 2020

Just Democrats doing what Democrats do.

Trying to create legislation through the courts when they know this crap won't even make to a floor vote in Congress.

jrumann59 · Jan 4, 2021

Sirex said:
If, an 80% is technically NOT a firearm, how can the ATF have any say over it anyway? By that logic, should they regulate pipes at Home Depot that could easily be made into slamfire ghost guns???

Good How-to in last months Recoil to make your own slam fire 12ga

erwos · Jan 4, 2021

lol, the ATF can't even regulate 100% lowers as firearms and make it stick in court, good luck with this.

pcfixer · Jan 5, 2021

Nickberg500 said:
Delete if this is a duplicate, but I'm not seeing anyone else posting about it. Looks like our buddy Frosh has joined forces in a new lawsuit against the ATF.

https://youtu.be/i7Wh6aVjt80

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-“80”-or-“unfinished”-receivers-illegal

Are “80%” or “unfinished” receivers illegal?
Receiver blanks that do not meet the definition of a "firearm" are not subject to regulation under the Gun Control Act (GCA). ATF has long held that items such as receiver blanks, "castings" or "machined bodies" in which the fire-control cavity area is completely solid and un-machined have not reached the "stage of manufacture" which would result in the classification of a firearm according to the GCA.

The following three photos are provided as examples. The first receiver has a solid, un-machined fire-control cavity area with no holes or dimples for the selector, trigger, or hammer pins. It does not meet the GCA definition of a firearm. The second receiver, shown from the top, likewise has a solid, un-machined fire-control cavity area. It does not meet the GCA definition of a firearm. The third receiver has a partially machined fire-control cavity and does meet the GCA definition of a firearm.

The ATF says that you cannot make an 80 percent lower into a firearm with the intent of selling it. That's the key: Intent. That's the key: Intent.

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