Arrests in Baltimore for illegal guns often lead to dropped charges or little jail

GrimReaper · Oct 23, 2016

Happens all the time and people need to start being held accountable.

When ever you see a criminals name in the news, look them up in md case search. 9 times out of 10 they will have either multiple gun, assault, or drug charges against them and the prosecutor's decided not to prosecute them or the judge let them off with no time served.

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iH8DemLibz · Oct 23, 2016

Name Taken said:
Start putting the names and cases and murders associated with the actions of the police, states attorneys, and judges.

If the judge lets someone go on a laughable sentence and that person goes out and kills someone put that judge on blast. Release a news article (or hundred) about it and let the public know for when they are up for re-election.

I like that.

Name Taken · Oct 23, 2016

GrimReaper said:
Happens all the time and people need to start being held accountable.

When ever you see a criminals name in the news, look them up in md case search. 9 times out of 10 they will have either multiple gun, assault, or drug charges against them and the prosecutor's decided not to prosecute them or the judge let them off with no time served.

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And oddly enough 90% of the time the only person the citizens actually elect that is involved in the case doesn't have their name attached to the case.

nmyers · Oct 26, 2016

If you read the end of the article, Davis' solution was to introduce another gun law, making possession of an "illegal" gun punishable by a 1 year sentence. Obviously, the man is dense.

danb · Oct 26, 2016

I'd go in the complete other direction. Gun carry laws are unconstitutional.

In states where open (or concealed) carry is legal, carrying a weapon is not even probable cause to detain someone. Carry laws have always been just another unconstitutional excuse for police to arrest people, and an ineffective one at that.

Rather than more gun laws or complain about ineffective policing, I would go in the complete opposite direction and push for repeal. I'd sell it as a way to keep the police from harassing people. Yes, there may be a lot of criminals carrying weapons. There are also a lot of criminals who get lawyers and use their right to remain silent. Just as (alleged) criminals have some constitutional rights, they also have the right to defend themselves. Even Al Capone was allowed to carry a revolver to his own trial, at the courthouse. Imagine carrying a revolver to the courthouse today. We've come a long way, mostly in the wrong direction.

Kman · Oct 26, 2016

Meanwhile, this forum has endless threads from law abiding citizens terrified about BS HBAR and 20 round magazine laws.

Gimme a break.

parttimer · Oct 26, 2016

Thread jack

GrimReaper said:
Happens all the time and people need to start being held accountable.

When ever you see a criminals name in the news, look them up in md case search. 9 times out of 10 they will have either multiple gun, assault, or drug charges against them and the prosecutor's decided not to prosecute them or the judge let them off with no time served.

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I was thinking about this the other day after a conversation I had with a lib. She was an ER nurse that use a toddler that I brought into the hospital after she was shot to try and use in her anti gun rant. I told her the shooter had several prior arrests for illegal possession of a gun and should under state law have been in prison when the shooting occurred.
It got me thinking about how many people have that were represented in court by members of Marylands GA that have gotten off or light sentences and then hurt of killed others when they should have been in jail. It seems like this could make an effective political ad against the likes of miller and Vallario to show they have blood on their hands.

Lloyd · Oct 26, 2016

danb said:
I'd go in the complete other direction. Gun carry laws are unconstitutional.

Agreed... No differentiation about what constitutes an "illegal gun."

...and wth is "pre-murder?" Baltimore is gayer by the minute!

CrazySanMan · Oct 26, 2016

My brother was a BPD officer, made sergeant. He resigned after 12 years when he was in court one morning and the black female judge walked into her courtroom, took her seat at the bench, and said "Ain't no black men going to jail today" to the stenographer as she was sitting down. My brother and two other officers who were in the courtroom protested and she ordered the stenographer to strike her comment from the record, but then proceeded to find every black defendant not guilty or dismissed the charges altogether.

DC-W · Oct 26, 2016

Davis has testified in the General Assembly "that there is no such thing as an illegal gun." He reiterated this point, so the context of his statement in the article is confusing.

He pushed heavily for a mandatory minimum bill that would have locked up someone caught illegally possessing guns for 5 years.

Bobby Zirkin (Senate Judiciary Chairman) chewed it up and it died in committee. He pointed out that other things need to be fixed in the city when it comes to prosecutors and judges before they push a law tying the hands of judges. Testimony by the 2A groups also pointed out the flaws of the bill.

Expect to see a return of this bill, especially now that Catherine Pugh will likely be the Mayor of Baltimore. Also, be ready for the toy gun ban to be tried again at the state level.

TheBert · Oct 26, 2016

tmd99 said:
I don't think this one lies with politicians or the laws. The politicians have passed the laws. The laws are already there and we do not need new ones. Possession of firearms cases live and die on the fourth amendment intrusion to find the weapon and whether it passes constitutional muster. Like Judge Becker said, it is very difficult for lawyers and judges sitting in the comfort of a courtroom to judge an officer's actions that occurred in the middle of the night on the street when there is a high potential that a person possesses a firearm. If it does pass muster under the fourth amendment, there are few hurdles at trial to possession cases unless there are 4 people in a vehicle with one firearm found on the floor or multiple people living in a home with a firearm found in an area accessible to all. Then you have to decide, who do you prosecute? I agree with having a unit that concentrates and has some level of expertise on the convoluted Maryland firearms laws. A knowledgeable prosecution unit will be able to better determine what should be prosecuted (or not) (hopefully they have some discretion or guiding criteria - no discretion leads to absurd results) and how to prosecute these cases. I guess time will tell.

The problem lies with the prosecutors. The DA's, SA's, AG's and USA's are all political appointments or elected by the people. Prosecutors are political. Prosecutorial discretion is a powerful tool to use to implement personal policies, beliefs and goals. Just like with legislators and executives you get the law enforcement you voted into office.

ken792 · Oct 26, 2016

mopar92 said:
*opinion only* most people don't grab guns by other than where you're supposed to so I doubt it, but the slides are fairly well insulated so heat is unlikely to destroy them unless fired comtinously on full auto which is more likely to destroy the firearm.
As far as shell casings no idea, this info is all secondhand from talking to a CSI lady with the Frederick PD.

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Brass casings tarnish, so fingerprints can be made on the readily. Things get a little tricky when ammo is continuously handled.

dblas · Oct 26, 2016

nmyers said:
If you read the end of the article, Davis' solution was to introduce another gun law, making possession of an "illegal" gun punishable by a 1 year sentence. Obviously, the man is dense.

It is already a misdemeanor and punishable up to a year for carrying a firearm without a permit. Davis wants to make it a felony and longer sentences.

dblas · Oct 26, 2016

TheBert said:
The problem lies with the prosecutors. The DA's, SA's, AG's and USA's are all political appointments or elected by the people. Prosecutors are political. Prosecutorial discretion is a powerful tool to use to implement personal policies, beliefs and goals. Just like with legislators and executives you get the law enforcement you voted into office.

And in my opinion, when they are up for re-election, they should be held accountable for the results and actions of their office. Too many felony gun charges plead down, no re-election for you.

lonzo · Oct 28, 2016

I know in Moco, the whole system is a joke, from the police all the way up...I know of one case, there was video evidence and the cops wouldn't look for the other guy, everybody got most of the charges dropped or reduced to nothing...the "state" had a rock solid case...just a joke

we're a law enforcement/military family, so i'm not bashing all the cops, but holy cow, batman...cant wait to get out of this area!

Okletsfish · Oct 29, 2016

Baltimore,Chicago or any other democrat controlled city is a cess pool.I grew up in Baltimore in the late 40`s and 50`s then it was a great place to live but not now.

Presumptuous · Nov 1, 2016

"Baltimore’s Top Cop Aims to Lower Crime Rate With Stricter Illegal Gun Laws"

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/...er-crime-rate-with-stricter-illegal-gun-laws/

BeoBill · Nov 1, 2016

nmyers said:
If you read the end of the article, Davis' solution was to introduce another gun law, making possession of an "illegal" gun punishable by a 1 year sentence. Obviously, the man is dense.

It's a Sun product - that's a requirement for it to be published. If it's not there the editor will tack it on the end of the article.

BeoBill · Nov 1, 2016

danb said:
I'd go in the complete other direction. Gun carry laws are unconstitutional.

In states where open (or concealed) carry is legal, carrying a weapon is not even probable cause to detain someone. Carry laws have always been just another unconstitutional excuse for police to arrest people, and an ineffective one at that.

Rather than more gun laws or complain about ineffective policing, I would go in the complete opposite direction and push for repeal. I'd sell it as a way to keep the police from harassing people. Yes, there may be a lot of criminals carrying weapons. There are also a lot of criminals who get lawyers and use their right to remain silent. Just as (alleged) criminals have some constitutional rights, they also have the right to defend themselves. Even Al Capone was allowed to carry a revolver to his own trial, at the courthouse. Imagine carrying a revolver to the courthouse today. We've come a long way, mostly in the wrong direction.

Yup. Sell it as repeal of these vestigial Jim Crow laws.

BeoBill · Nov 1, 2016

parttimer said:
...It got me thinking about how many people have that were represented in court by members of Marylands GA that have gotten off or light sentences and then hurt of killed others when they should have been in jail. It seems like this could make an effective political ad against the likes of miller and Vallario to show they have blood on their hands.

Signs for the next MGA session? Let's not forget.

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