Moving from MD and then back again?

NIK · Oct 30, 2015

Hey guys, I have a question... I'm a longtime MD resident and have some of the guns on the current "bad" list that are grandfathered in since I bought em 10+ years ago, namely the M1A and an M4gery with the evil non-HBAR barrel.

I got a job offer in Richmond. I will not uproot my family for the move, so I may get a condo or something in VA and split my time between MD and VA. Here's my question... If I get a VA license, will my rifles become illegal (or subject to registration by MSP) even though they never moved from my safe?

Glaron · Oct 30, 2015

I like that question.

Pinecone · Oct 31, 2015

If you establish residency in VA, then, IANAL, they would become illegal when youmove back to MD and reestablish residency here.

But if, you can spend at least 185 days a year in MD (weekends, holidays, vacation, telework), you would not have to establish VA residency, and then they would stay legal.

Or, just move the family to Richmond and become a resident/citizen of the United States of America.

protegeV · Oct 31, 2015

Pinecone said:
If you establish residency in VA, then, IANAL, they would become illegal when youmove back to MD and reestablish residency here.

But if, you can spend at least 185 days a year in MD (weekends, holidays, vacation, telework), you would not have to establish VA residency, and then they would stay legal.

Or, just move the family to Richmond and become a resident/citizen of the United States of America.

swinokur · Oct 31, 2015

If they were possessed before 10-1-13, you'd only need to register them when moving back, they wouldn't be illegal. But

IANAL.

The sphinx · Oct 31, 2015

swinokur said:
If they were possessed before 10-1-13, you'd only need to register them when moving back, they wouldn't be illegal. But

IANAL.

This

RoadDawg · Oct 31, 2015

Were they Maryland registered sales?

If so, they will always be on record as being purchased by you.

No need to renew the registration when moving back.

IANAL

MikeTF · Oct 31, 2015

Come to va. Leave md. Never look back.

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teratos · Oct 31, 2015

RoadDawg said:
Were they Maryland registered sales? If so, they will always be on record as being purchased by you. No need to renew the registration when moving back. IANAL

This.

swinokur · Oct 31, 2015

The technicality is that if he moves to VA and is a VA resident and then moves back, he is re-establishing residency in MD. AFAIK the statute doesn't make exceptions for previous residents or MSP recorded sales.. The fact that MSP has a record of the sale seems irrelevant as far as residency goes.

But IANAL or LE.

stringer bell · Oct 31, 2015

Well. Since the law went into effect how many times have the state police inspected your grandfathered items?

RoadDawg · Oct 31, 2015

swinokur said:
The technicality is that if he moves to VA and is a VA resident and then moves back, he is re-establishing residency in MD. AFAIK the statute doesn't make exceptions for previous residents or MSP recorded sales.. The fact that MSP has a record of the sale seems irrelevant as far as residency goes.

But IANAL or LE.

I just dealt with this very subject with a registered sale...

There is NO need to reregister a firearm that one purchased as a Maryland resident, in a registered sale, prior to 10/1/13. That firearm is already registered.

Firearms that were not bought here and are regulated must be registered within 90 days of establishing resistancy here.

Re-establishing residence with those firearms you bought while living here does not require new registration when you move back.

IANAL but I DID check with MSP Firearms Unit to make sure.

swinokur · Oct 31, 2015

well then I stand corrected sir.

good info to know.

BigDaddy · Oct 31, 2015

It might be argued that you are still a Maryland resident if you keep your Maryland home, your family lives there and you intend to return. The only thing that changes is VA is getting chunk of your income tax.

swinokur · Oct 31, 2015

I think RD explained the intent of the law and MSP's view of it.

5.56blaster · Oct 31, 2015

Why come back? Run away!!!!!

RoadDawg · Oct 31, 2015

swinokur said:
well then I stand corrected sir.

good info to know.

The intent was not to correct you.... Rather to simply provide the information that was provided to me by MSP on the subject.

IF one bought the firearm in a registered sale while a resident of the state... Then moved elsewhere... Moving back does not require the firearm to be reregistered.

swinokur · Oct 31, 2015

either way-no problem. all is well.

NIK · Oct 31, 2015

Thanks for the responses so far guys. I've done a bit of moving for work so I've gone from MD to VA then currently back to MD, but it was all before 2013, so whatever purchases I made and kept when I moved back were legal. I wonder if fixing this nonsense will ever be on Hogan's radar.

Pinecone · Nov 1, 2015

RoadDawg said:
Were they Maryland registered sales?

If so, they will always be on record as being purchased by you.

No need to renew the registration when moving back.

IANAL

Actually, this situation is not covered by the law. So this may or may not be the right answer. And nobody can give you an answer. Or, even the same anaswer if asked more than once.

So, IMO, I would just register them again. Heck, if nothing else, it adds to the confusion of the paperwork they have.

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