We Are Fighting Against A Pandemic Of Hipster Libtardation

SFbrah · Feb 20, 2013

You scared me at first...originally i thought you said a *libertarian* said that. Sigh of relief when i realized you were talking about *liberal*.

I hate many in my generation, and hipster is the perfect way to describe it. Dont worry, im sure "muh rights conservative" will be in fashion once plaid and camo is.

Tungsten · Feb 20, 2013

6-Pack said:
Is she hot? If so, hit and run then drop her as a FB friend. If she's not hot, just de-friend her

I'm married... happily....... but if this was 5 yrs ago, I'd definitely put on my worst cologne, limber up my luvin thumb, and proceed to give her a hernia.

BTW she is decent looking, single, and I have no qualms about setting her up with an a-hole. :lol2:

Shaggy · Feb 20, 2013

Wait said:
Damn hipsters, always ruining everything. I've had to hide like a quarter of my facebook "friends" for similar bs. My favorite argument they use is the whole, "If you were a better shot, you'd only need ten rounds," nonsense. I've offered to take them to the range so they can see that real shooting isn't like CoD, but so far I haven't had any takers.

Learning about guns from CoD is like learning about women from Porn. Both will give
you general knowledge, but in real life both are loud, hard to control and expensive.

/Preemptive/ – I’m sorry for the above post and have seen the error in my ways.
Please don’t tell my wife.

Waitwhat · Feb 20, 2013

Shaggy said:
Learning about guns from CoD is like learning about women from Porn. Both will give
you general knowledge, but in real life both are loud, hard to control and expensive.

/Preemptive/ – I’m sorry for the above post and have seen the error in my ways.
Please don’t tell my wife.

Lol great analogy.

Chaos_Being · Feb 20, 2013

Shaggy said:
Learning about guns from CoD is like learning about women from Porn. Both will give
you general knowledge, but in real life both are loud, hard to control and expensive.

/Preemptive/ – I’m sorry for the above post and have seen the error in my ways.
Please don’t tell my wife.

Silent Scope · Feb 21, 2013

Shaggy said:
Learning about guns from CoD is like learning about women from Porn. Both will give
you general knowledge, but in real life both are loud, hard to control and expensive.

/Preemptive/ – I’m sorry for the above post and have seen the error in my ways.
Please don’t tell my wife.

You sir, have a great way with words. :lol2:

squirrel211 · Feb 21, 2013

Wait said:
Damn hipsters, always ruining everything. I've had to hide like a quarter of my facebook "friends" for similar bs. My favorite argument they use is the whole, "If you were a better shot, you'd only need ten rounds," nonsense. I've offered to take them to the range so they can see that real shooting isn't like CoD, but so far I haven't had any takers.

I've offered a bunch of friends, almost everyone in our state legislature, the entire US congress, and a couple of news reporters like Bill Dedman from MSNBC, who ran a series of articles against gun ownership. At least Bill responded, albeit just to ask me if that was all I had to say....

Not one has accepted my offer either! :tdown:

MORE TO THE POINT: We are fighting a war against ignorance.

Second Amendment · Feb 21, 2013

squirrel211 said:
I've offered a bunch of friends, almost everyone in our state legislature, the entire US congress, and a couple of news reporters like Bill Dedman from MSNBC, who ran a series of articles against gun ownership. At least Bill responded, albeit just to ask me if that was all I had to say....

Not one has accepted my offer either!

MORE TO THE POINT: We are fighting a war against ignorance.

Yes, I had to set someone strait who thought that anyone could just hop on down to the local gun shop and pick up a machine gun.

MDFF2008 · Feb 21, 2013

squirrel211 said:
I've offered a bunch of friends, almost everyone in our state legislature, the entire US congress, and a couple of news reporters like Bill Dedman from MSNBC, who ran a series of articles against gun ownership. At least Bill responded, albeit just to ask me if that was all I had to say....

Not one has accepted my offer either!

MORE TO THE POINT: We are fighting a war against ignorance.

That's why I'm so sick of the people who say not to talk to anti-2a people.

You don't win wars by surrounding yourself with like minded people. You win them by getting the other side to see your side.

Free Radical · Feb 21, 2013

Just a bit of advice: You're not going to win anyone over and have them see things your way when you call them a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard.'
Also, as someone who considers himself liberal, it is a bit alienating even if your are on the same side of the issue.

squirrels · Feb 21, 2013

Free Radical said:
Just a bit of advice: You're not going to win anyone over and have them see things your way when you call them a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard.'
Also, as someone who considers himself liberal, it is a bit alienating even if your are on the same side of the issue.

I have been preaching on this forum for a little while that we need to stop looking at "guns" as a partisan issue. It's possible to be a "liberal" or a "democrat" and still have libertarian leanings when it comes to individual freedoms and civil rights. In fact, I think that if the Democratic party adopted some Libertarian leanings, they would absolutely crush the Republicans in most popular votes.

Since Dubya, the Republicans have gone authoritarian with their "conservative" leanings. Both sides are trying to out-do each other with telling people how to live their lives and expecting you to choose between a conservative-leaning "master" and a liberal-leaning "master".

There is absolutely no reason an issue like 2A rights should have to be a staple of the Democratic party, and there's absolutely no reason that we should be assaulting/insulting the "liberal" mindset solely because of this single issue.

If we ever want "freedom" in this state, we need to stop making civil rights like RKBA a partisan issue. When the majority of this state votes Democrat, but the majority of its people in an independent poll support RKBA, that's a sign that maybe if they didn't see RKBA as "Democrats vs. Republicans", the politicians may be more apt to get behind us. I assure you, half of them don't give a personal sh*t one way or another about 2A...they are following party lines.

We will NEVER get serious, rational discussion about RKBA in Maryland as long as its Democrat majority sees RKBA supporters as "those damned hillbilly Republicans". They're dug in against us before we even open our mouths. They're dug in against us before we even say anything about guns, because they are "D"s and they assume we are "R"s.

Stop trying to convert the "liberals" from "liberalism" and instead encourage them to become "libertarian Democrats". It's not an oxymoron.

JMangle · Feb 21, 2013

Free Radical said:
Just a bit of advice: You're not going to win anyone over and have them see things your way when you call them a portmanteau of 'liberal' and 'retard.'
Also, as someone who considers himself liberal, it is a bit alienating even if your are on the same side of the issue.

squirrels said:
I have been preaching on this forum for a little while that we need to stop looking at "guns" as a partisan issue. It's possible to be a "liberal" or a "democrat" and still have libertarian leanings when it comes to individual freedoms and civil rights. In fact, I think that if the Democratic party adopted some Libertarian leanings, they would absolutely crush the Republicans in most popular votes.

Since Dubya, the Republicans have gone authoritarian with their "conservative" leanings. Both sides are trying to out-do each other with telling people how to live their lives and expecting you to choose between a conservative-leaning "master" and a liberal-leaning "master".

There is absolutely no reason an issue like 2A rights should have to be a staple of the Democratic party, and there's absolutely no reason that we should be assaulting/insulting the "liberal" mindset solely because of this single issue.

If we ever want "freedom" in this state, we need to stop making civil rights like RKBA a partisan issue. When the majority of this state votes Democrat, but the majority of its people in an independent poll support RKBA, that's a sign that maybe if they didn't see RKBA as "Democrats vs. Republicans", the politicians may be more apt to get behind us. I assure you, half of them don't give a personal sh*t one way or another about 2A...they are following party lines.

We will NEVER get serious, rational discussion about RKBA in Maryland as long as its Democrat majority sees RKBA supporters as "those damned hillbilly Republicans". They're dug in against us before we even open our mouths. They're dug in against us before we even say anything about guns, because they are "D"s and they assume we are "R"s.

Stop trying to convert the "liberals" from "liberalism" and instead encourage them to become "libertarian Democrats". It's not an oxymoron.

Agreed.

We need to be sure that we don't frame this as a left vs. right issue but rather a civil liberty vs oppression issue. I've won over more than a few veterans of the Civil Rights era by using Orwell's quote about a gun on the wall. (The I usually joke that they've gotta start voting for gun-rights with their last few remaining decades.) :innocent0

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

MicheleM · Feb 21, 2013

Liberal logic: if it's scary-looking, it's the government's job to get rid of it.

Most won't take the time to learn about firearms because they think the whole idea is the reason for murders. Remove all guns and the killings of innocent people will stop. They stick their fingers in their ears and sing lalalala to any explanation you might offer. Guns=bad. Period.

They don't care that your rights are being diminished. It's not an issue to them. The only thing that will make them reconsider is when they realize that this is another cut, scratch and dent in our God-given Constitutional rights and one day it will affect a right they enjoy, hypothetically, the 1st Amendment.

Until then, it's a lot of :banghead:

when having a "conversation" with them.

To squirrels: the problem is that most liberals DON'T see owning a gun as a Constitutional right. So where do you go from there?

squirrels · Feb 21, 2013

MicheleM said:
Liberal logic: if it's scary-looking, it's the government's job to get rid of it.

Most won't take the time to learn about firearms because they think the whole idea is the reason for murders. Remove all guns and the killings of innocent people will stop. They stick their fingers in their ears and sing lalalala to any explanation you might offer. Guns=bad. Period.

They don't care that your rights are being diminished. It's not an issue to them. The only thing that will make them reconsider is when they realize that this is another cut, scratch and dent in our God-given Constitutional rights and one day it will affect a right they enjoy, hypothetically, the 1st Amendment.

Until then, it's a lot of when having a "conversation" with them.

To squirrels: the problem is that most liberals DON'T see owning a gun as a Constitutional right. So where do you go from there?

You educate them. You don't attack their core belief system, especially not on ALL fronts at once by trying to convert them from "D" to "R".

If you make it personal, you've already lost.

And I don't buy that "most" liberals don't see guns as a Constitutional right. Even the Dalai Lama believes in returning fire.

The far-left vocal contingent may not believe that, but then the people that far-left don't believe people have ANY rights against the Government...they look at Uncle Sam as they would a parent. Those aren't the people you need to win over.

Waitwhat · Feb 21, 2013

squirrel211 said:
I've offered a bunch of friends, almost everyone in our state legislature, the entire US congress, and a couple of news reporters like Bill Dedman from MSNBC, who ran a series of articles against gun ownership. At least Bill responded, albeit just to ask me if that was all I had to say....

Not one has accepted my offer either!

MORE TO THE POINT: We are fighting a war against ignorance.

We most definitely are. I had one "friend" try to convince me that you can order an AR-15 online and have it sent to your door, just because he saw one for sale on gunbroker. When I tried to explain that you have to have the rifle shipped to an ffl and go through the same process as normal, he tried to tell me that I was wrong because that's not how online shopping works.

EvilOlive · Feb 21, 2013

squirrels said:
I have been preaching on this forum for a little while that we need to stop looking at "guns" as a partisan issue. It's possible to be a "liberal" or a "democrat" and still have libertarian leanings when it comes to individual freedoms and civil rights. In fact, I think that if the Democratic party adopted some Libertarian leanings, they would absolutely crush the Republicans in most popular votes.

Since Dubya, the Republicans have gone authoritarian with their "conservative" leanings. Both sides are trying to out-do each other with telling people how to live their lives and expecting you to choose between a conservative-leaning "master" and a liberal-leaning "master".

There is absolutely no reason an issue like 2A rights should have to be a staple of the Democratic party, and there's absolutely no reason that we should be assaulting/insulting the "liberal" mindset solely because of this single issue.

If we ever want "freedom" in this state, we need to stop making civil rights like RKBA a partisan issue. When the majority of this state votes Democrat, but the majority of its people in an independent poll support RKBA, that's a sign that maybe if they didn't see RKBA as "Democrats vs. Republicans", the politicians may be more apt to get behind us. I assure you, half of them don't give a personal sh*t one way or another about 2A...they are following party lines.

We will NEVER get serious, rational discussion about RKBA in Maryland as long as its Democrat majority sees RKBA supporters as "those damned hillbilly Republicans". They're dug in against us before we even open our mouths. They're dug in against us before we even say anything about guns, because they are "D"s and they assume we are "R"s.

Stop trying to convert the "liberals" from "liberalism" and instead encourage them to become "libertarian Democrats". It's not an oxymoron.

THIS!!!

amoebicmagician · Feb 21, 2013

shortnfluffy(gummy'swife) said:
I deleted all liberal facebook friends, everyone on my list is a patriot. I have a no work friends policy also.

There is a group https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-DC-Clothesline/440522575997388?fref=ts and every so often he does a patriot friend thread so you can unite with like minded individuals.

frankly, you owe it to the those idiots to keep them on your friends list. I know it gets tiring, but enough good arguments will change minds, and that is exactly what we need to do- address the misinformation the media is spreading and get people on our side here.

The good news is that idiotic hipster assholes usually don't vote, they stay home, smoke weed, and bitch about everyone not as enlightened as them.

There are a lot of grandmas and such out there, though, that just need to be corrected and they will understand how misled they have been.

These people think ar-15s are full auto, and thy regurgitate what they've been told by the media verbatim. These are the people who's minds we can change.

ThawMyTongue · Feb 21, 2013

gprimr1 said:
That's why I'm so sick of the people who say not to talk to anti-2a people.

You don't win wars by surrounding yourself with like minded people. You win them by getting the other side to see your side.

I was just having this conversation with someone on another forum. They are planning on carrying their AR-15 to a counter protest (legal in that state). He claims pretty much anyone not with us is a lost cause and anyone who converts is a potential traitor. My response to him:

I am someone who was "logic"ed into supporting firearms ownership. 20 years ago I was a fence sitter. Being raised in a completely gun free household I thought guns were cool and enjoyed skeet shooting with friends, but my opinion was easily swayed by news stories and public opinion. I would nod my head when reading stories about "plastic guns" and "cop killer bullets" and would agree there's no reason law abiding hunters would need "military-grade" firepower. The first AWB did not effect me since I was not a firearm owner, so I didn't pay it any mind. I was put off by those who were fanatical in their support of firearm ownership because I simply did not understand where they were coming from. And people saying "Molon Labe", "Sure they can have my guns, one bullet at a time!" and "Hitler disarmed the Jews before eraticating them." did not explain anything to me and only served to alienate me from them further.

About 8 years ago I was engaged to the woman I was going to marry and decided since I was starting a family I would like to purchase a firearm for protection. I am not one to enter into anything lightly, so I began researching firearms. In my research, I made some friends who were firearm owners and stumbled onto a few 2A organizations which I drew on to increase my knowledge. In searching and discussing I gradually increased my understanding of firearms not only in the specification dimension, but also in the legislative, history, and rights dimensions. I was a member of more than one firearm rights organization before I even bought my first firearm.

Now, the thought of only owning only one firearm gives me the shakes. And the thought of being forced to give up even a single round of ammunition makes my blood boil. I gladly wear clothing supporting firearm rights or organizations. I write/call/visit my elected officials and even elected officials in states I do not live in just to let them know the country is watching. I go out of my way to engage people and get them talking and have walked many people through acquiring their first (and second and third and etc.) firearm. When approaching people with the topic of gun rights I try to be sensitive to them specifically and engage them on terms they find favorable. I definitely come across people who are very closed minded and realize quickly I am just wasting breath. Though there are others who are open to debate and discuss and others who are just "sheeple" blowing with the wind like I did in the past. I approach these people as I would have wished someone would have approached me much earlier in my life.

I understand what you are saying and see your point and believe there is a time and place for stances like that, but I see a need for "evangelism" to increase our ranks in the current political climate and to not want to alienate anyone until I have established where they stand. Anyone can claim to be deep and not pay attention to appearance, but I know it causes first impressions and those impressions can skew anything following from that persons mouth. We are fighting a public perception battle here on the east coast and all over this country and I think keeping that in mind is paramount. When protesting, I am also looking to engage and educate people.

Our rights have been eroded over a very long period of time and will not be won back overnight... NFA, GCA, FOPA, etc. My ultimate dream would be to see Second Amendment back in it's truest form.

I hope I am not coming across as "watered down" in your opinion or as a potential Benedict Arnold. We are fighting the same fight and I wish you the best this weekend! Turn some heads!

Waitwhat · Feb 21, 2013

For those that think talking to liberals is a lost cause, I personally convinced a Californian that AR-15s are valuable both for hunting and self defense. It can be done. Personally, I tend to hide anti-gun people from my news feed so I don't have to see their bs all the time, then wait for them to attack one of my posts.

Free Radical · Feb 21, 2013

MicheleM said:
Liberal logic: if it's scary-looking, it's the government's job to get rid of it.

That's an absolute misrepresentation; and a meaningless distinction, as one could easily say the exact same thing about "Conservatives" when referring to issues of marriage or drug war.

Attack ignorance, attack misinformation, attack bad ideas. Do not attack people personally, because once you do that, they automatically shut you out and will be unwilling to accept a thing you say. Ideology is a delicate, personal thing for people, and if they feel you immediately threatening them, you've already lost a good opportunity.

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