Yes, provided they do not pass it with 7 days left in the session, at which point, if he vetoes it, they have time to over ride his veto in this session.
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Yes, provided they do not pass it with 7 days left in the session, at which point, if he vetoes it, they have time to over ride his veto in this session.
I have a call in now to the MSI big shots to establish a segregated account for people like you who want to help fund progress for C&W in MD.
Those of us who attend hearings and testify fully support the continuation of HPRB’s citizen oversight over an entrenched bureaucracy like the MD State Police.
We continue to look to support the legislators on our side who are trying the maintain the HPRB in its present form.
MrsRab1515
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Against, but I believe people are looking for the silver lining if the bill goes through.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
Wrong..
An individual may represent him/herself in any administrative hearing and no individual is required to have an attorney.
https://vimeo.com/76700393
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Mike OTDP
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- Feb 12, 2008
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I'm a strong believer in oversight. And open proceedings.
MrsRab1515
Active Member
Still much harder to represent yourself in front of a judge than in front of the Board, not to mention riskier. While technically you can represent yourself with the judge, it probably wouldn't be a great idea for any lay person to do so. Mark lays it out well in the written testimony.
danb
dont be a dumbass
Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should.
To the antis, the need to hire a lawyer for an appeal sounds less like a problem and more like a sales pitch.
It could be a huge problem. Or it could be a huge opportunity. Depends. A pool of potential applicants-denied-turned-plaintiffs is a potential gold mine. ALJs will know better than most that the courts are looking over their shoulder.
I am a fan of MDSP oversight too. I just have not been convinced ALJ + courts will provide less oversight than a civilian board.
To the antis, the need to hire a lawyer for an appeal sounds less like a problem and more like a sales pitch.
It could be a huge problem. Or it could be a huge opportunity. Depends. A pool of potential applicants-denied-turned-plaintiffs is a potential gold mine. ALJs will know better than most that the courts are looking over their shoulder.
I am a fan of MDSP oversight too. I just have not been convinced ALJ + courts will provide less oversight than a civilian board.
buellsfurn
Ultimate Member
The thing that sucks is how many thousands will it cost should their be a need to go to court for a ccw when it should free and legal
Biggfoot44
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- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,221
To paraphrase myself ;
HPRB - More accessible to average Appellant
ALJ. - More burdensome for average person, greater degree of deference to MSP .* Possible * eventually obtain favorable rulings with binding.
HPRB - More accessible to average Appellant
ALJ. - More burdensome for average person, greater degree of deference to MSP .* Possible * eventually obtain favorable rulings with binding.
Good summery. After my informal review, I have no desire to have to go through a review process that gives deference to MSP. Deference sounds like rubber stamp my ears.
1. It removes citizen oversight of the MSP LD.
2. It will further disenfranchise citizens(particularly those of minimal means) to apply for a permit. Will certainly require legal counsel($$$$).
3. ALJs are serve 6 year terms, not 3 year terms.
What's the old saying? The man who represents himself in court has a fool for a client?
danb
dont be a dumbass
The second Hogan leaves office, Mike, Mike, and the new .gov are going to conspire to replace all the board members asap anyway. They can do whatever they want.
If they want to get rid of it, they think Hogan will be there for a while.
If they want to get rid of it, they think Hogan will be there for a while.
- Feb 19, 2013
- 18,761
With an ALJ, the burden of proof may return where it belongs, to MSP. I hear the current Chair at hearings tell the applicant the burden is on them, but the hearing starts with MSP being heard first.
See first sentence , Board Procedures. https://www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/HPRBpoicyiesandprocedures.pdf
See first sentence , Board Procedures. https://www.dpscs.state.md.us/agencies/HPRBpoicyiesandprocedures.pdf
Derek
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Recieved a favorable report from the committee:
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/votes_comm/hb0819_jud.pdf
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/votes_comm/hb0819_jud.pdf
danb
dont be a dumbass
HB 0819 passed second reading.
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