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No one ever said freedom was risk free. A free man assumes responsibility for his own actions.
Then don't build it if you don't like it, nothing mandates that you build them, but just because you watched videos of poorly created firearms, does not give you the right to say what I and others should be able to do.
So what?? People can already build an entire series of firearms without any oversight, what is the difference between building a receiver and buying an 80% receiver and finishing it yourself?? Absolutely nothing....Fear monger much??
So you have no support for someone being able to exercise their constitutional rights?? Mkay.
hodgepodge
Senior Member (Gold)
Dammit, Dumais. One of your constituents was killed with a blackpowder gun. This is tragic and criminal.
But until you can answer why he was not already in jail or why he could not have gone into the KMart and bought a kitchen knife, just stop it.
But until you can answer why he was not already in jail or why he could not have gone into the KMart and bought a kitchen knife, just stop it.
Does the tyrant's boot keep you warm at night?
Laws don't prevent criminals from doing squat. Regulating electronic distribution is an exercise in futility. If they can't regulate kiddie porn, they can't regulate gun plans.
NO, JUST NO.
And so what if someone makes 5,10, or 20 of them for personal use. SO WHAT?
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If you make it and it blows up in your hand... well that's on you. It is called freedom and personal responsibility. As for running an entire series of firearms without "supervision" ... well that's sort of the point. No supervision required.
knastera
Just another shooter
I fall into the strict constitutionalist camp. We have an inherent set of rights just because we’re humans in America. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are God-given rights. The Second Amendment does not give us the right to keep and bear arms, it ensures that the government won’t infringe on that right. Regulating our ability to make a firearm for personal use is an infringement. Having/making something doesn’t become criminal until the use of that thing hinders someone else’s rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That view is part of the philosophy of “classical liberalism,” the pervasive view of earliest days of our existence as a country.
The text of this bill is going to be key. Last year, support for this bill fell apart when a bunch of deficiencies in it were brought up. We don't really know if they "fixed it" or not until they show the text.
As someone who absolutely does finish 80% frames/receivers and 3D print his own (working!) guns, I don't support this bill at all. Like many others, it will do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from doing whatever they want to do, and just punishes home gun builders who want to use their stuff legally.
As someone who absolutely does finish 80% frames/receivers and 3D print his own (working!) guns, I don't support this bill at all. Like many others, it will do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from doing whatever they want to do, and just punishes home gun builders who want to use their stuff legally.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
Updated OP. HB910 hearing is scheduled for Wed. 2/26 at 1pm in House Judiciary.
PumpkinScissors
Member
And? These are being made by private individuals for private use, not being sold. If the intent is to sell the seller would need an FFL of some sort and each firearm would have a serial number which negates the whole untraceable aspect.
If your concern is about the inability to hold another person accountable for a self-inflicted injury... I don't really know how to articulate a response to that while maintaining a sense of decorum.
knastera
Just another shooter
Think about it from this perspective. We can make our own knives, cars, and alcohol. Even though each of those are used in many incidents resulting in death, the making of them is not regulated. Why should guns be any different?
PowPow
Where's the beef?
This is the same faulty reasoning that was in play when they outlawed use and enjoyment of fireworks on our own property.
I have a mill and a lathe. I can make submachine guns from scratch pretty easily. They won't win any accuracy contests, but they will function. Plans for these have been around for years. You can make a shotgun with two pieces of pipe and a nail. You can kill someone with a sharp stick.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
And with hands and feet, blunt object, vehicle, poison, ...
knastera
Just another shooter
Fireworks are a great example. They have high destructive potential, but if they are used responsibly and during reasonable hours, then their use has no impact on others. We already have noise ordinances and laws that make it illegal to hurt people, so why do we to regulate the private, safe use of a thing?
I think I may take the day off to testify. This is one that I'm very qualified to talk to.
Tungsten
Ultimate Member
I imagine that is exactly their plan.
Something tells me that is exactly what the politicians tell themselves when drafting gun laws.
Damn, you don’t have horse people near you, do you? The old ladies with horses in our neighborhood freak the hell out anytime fireworks are set off. We’ve even tried warning them, which is what they asked for. The response to giving them a heads up was them calling the police on the person who warned them it was the 4th of July and they should expect fireworks to be set off in the neighborhood.
Said neighbor who offered the helpful warning wasn’t even home at the time they called police on him.
knastera
Just another shooter
I live in Pennsyltucky. People shoot off fireworks (and other stuff) all the time. Most people here just want to be left alone.
GuitarmanNick
Ultimate Member
If you swap uppers on an AR, it may be construed as violating the proposed law since it is obviously quite vague in it's wording, by design no doubt.
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