Ask your new legislators why they think the gun control measures they are proposing will succeed in Virginia when the same kinds of laws passed in Maryland in 2013 did not. Violent crime in Baltimore is awful.
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“Awful” is not a highly technical term. It’s not observable, measurable or repeatable. For folks who are caring, concerned and experienced... there might be a good chance they’ll know awful when they see it and be correct when they say it.
Short version is I appreciate your sentiment but think it’s much better offered with facts and data. Surely the Baltimore and MD stats for before and after are available. They will make the case you speak of.
Short version is I appreciate your sentiment but think it’s much better offered with facts and data. Surely the Baltimore and MD stats for before and after are available. They will make the case you speak of.
Good point. Just curious; can you show me any data that demonstrates that the laws passed in 2013 in Maryland (for example banning certain semi-automatic rifles) have had any effect on violent crime?
Do you think it is inaccurate to state that violent crime in Baltimore this past year is no better than it was in 2013?
"Baltimore homicide rate is on a record high, deadlier than Detroit and Chicago" Associated Press, Sep 25 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...i-statistics-death-crime-killings/1426739002/
Hmm. Don't see a lot of improvements between 2013 and 2020 in these numbers (actually, I think it's worse):
https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...i-statistics-death-crime-killings/1426739002/
Hmm. Don't see a lot of improvements between 2013 and 2020 in these numbers (actually, I think it's worse):
https://homicides.news.baltimoresun.com/
Man, I love facts and data...just as long as someone else does the legwork to produce it.
Sorry to be a wanker.
It will though play better with some hard data...just a bit n
Sorry to be a wanker.
It will though play better with some hard data...just a bit n
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
You're naive if you think any of these proposed laws have anything to do with public safety. Like all anti 2A laws these are all about control. Until gun rights advocates stop deluding themselves about public safety the left will continue to pass these bills.
Chris VanDoucheBerger says the FSA of 2013 has saved lives. Please ask him and share his lies with us here.
This. They don't care about their effectiveness and they are shameless enough to not care that they are pushing laws that don't work and harm good Americans.
It is worth putting it in their face Patriot Picket style to get that message to the public at large but it will not sway those that cashed Bloomberg's checks and are doing his bidding.
Threeband
The M1 Does My Talking
They don't care about crime. To a degree, crime actually helps them advance their agenda.
Even gangs and cartels are just other power blocs to be managed, co-opted, or leveraged to advance the Game of Power.
What they can't allow are a bunch of independent, self sufficient peasants with the means to resist.
Even gangs and cartels are just other power blocs to be managed, co-opted, or leveraged to advance the Game of Power.
What they can't allow are a bunch of independent, self sufficient peasants with the means to resist.
fred55
Senior
This exactly! I’ll be attending Dems’ Town Halls, and fundraisers of those that vote for any gun control bills. I’ll be doing this throughout their terms. My intention is to not let voters forget and let new candidates know what is on the horizon if they attack the 2A. I’ll be passing this on through VCDL, Virginia Constitutional Conservatives, Fredericksburg Patriots, and any one else that will listen. If these socialists are not stopped soon we will lose the country. I’m also contacting the Spotsylvania BOS and requesting they begin militia preparations. fred55
Call me cynical, but I have felt this way for a long time. Sure, the very bottom most dem LI rubes MAY still believe it is for "crime", but they'll be the same ones that would have lived right outside Munich, and had no idea what that "prison" was next door...
Nothing they are doing is about preventing crime, that's no longer even hidden anymore. There will be crime related to this, before it's over, and if they get their way, my guess is that what they are planning to do "for" (to) us is hideous enough that they want to make damn sure we are disarmed. This is people control, or maybe even best called simple people "preparation"...
For what? Your guess is as good as mine.
And I used to think people were nuts to believe such stuff. Go down the list of titles being introduced. No, seriously...
The truth of the matter is that even AFTER gun owners uniformly understand this is not about public safety, they will continue to pass these bills as long as they are in power.
They break Virginia they will break other states .
Not about being a wanker, it’s about loosing elections.
Yep. Proves nobody is safe.
Agreed.
TheOriginalMexicanBob
Ultimate Member
None of the proposed laws are based on facts...they don't care about facts. It's only words for the uneducated and/or likewise people who believe in an authoritarian government...a government that takes care of them so they don't have to.
It's about control...over every aspect of everyone else's lives...but the lawmakers reserve the right to be exempted from the laws.
It's about control...over every aspect of everyone else's lives...but the lawmakers reserve the right to be exempted from the laws.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
They need to called out on it..there are still fudds who think it's about public safety and therefore the gun grabbers will never come for their hunting guns...
Agree. It needs to be the topic of discussion/testimony.
If they break Virginia it just means that demographically Virginia changed and conservatives were resting on their political laurels. However all hope is not lost. Democrats controlled the VA statehouse for 100yrs and Republicans only obtained a majority in 2000. The state is very much in play. I think the democrats who somehow think that they have a public mandate to attack the 2nd amendment, may make make some progress on that agenda, but will be in for a big surprise come 2021. I hope that all of the recent 2A sanctuary pushback actually causes them to double down and dig in. I think it’s important to expose their intentions and then let them fall on the sword. If they are given the chance to walk back their anti-gun rhetoric but stay in power, that will be worse for conservative causes long term.
As for other states, it’s tough to say. Historically when people move from one region to another they do change the culture, but if those changes occur more slowly the regional culture can remain intact. There is truly massive migration of money and people fleeing the high tax North East to Florida, SC, NC and Tennessee. Californians are moving to NV, Idaho and AZ. Eventually as those historically democratic strongholds loose money and population, they loose political power and influence. Who knows, someday the population living in conservative upstate NY may be able to exert more political influence over NYC. I hope I live long enough to see it.
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