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  • hubel585

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    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Guy here got a couple extras sporterized Enfield actions with
    sporterized bolt handles, port opened for long case, for $250. .

    Jm--That load is test load, bragging load, moderate hunting speeds
    are 650gr at 25-2600, 750 gr 2300...Ed
     

    embermage

    Active Member
    Sep 20, 2013
    747
    Rising Sun
    Hmm, 750 for the barrel, brass, and dies, 200 for the install, and 250 for the action (not counting stock work). Guess I need to sell my .458 SOCOM to get one of these.
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Yes and I can do simple stock or you can take
    barreled action to a fancy smith to do one.

    Once you touch one of these off, no other shooting
    will seem as interesting.ED
     
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    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
    singleshot test gun. We used a composite stock we
    adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
    Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.

    mau585he.jpg


    And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
    just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.

    Here is one reason to like 585 calibers is bullet varieties,
    this picture is only about half the bullets and slugs
    we know of, and most can easily found. Ed

    all58sl.jpg
     

    embermage

    Active Member
    Sep 20, 2013
    747
    Rising Sun
    How'd the K98 do? I'd love to get one of these rifles for the sheer unusual factor of the caliber. Have to get rid of my .458 SOCOM AR first to fund it though lol
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    The 98 makes a great singleshot 585. A magnum Mauser

    and near copies like BBK, BRNO, CZ, etc, would make

    a magazine fed. Like the enfields.ED
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site;

    Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in Australia.It was set up

    for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed the

    first AUS buff, killed by a 585HE, that I posted picture of above. You can

    go direct to the page and click on the videos to watch the test firings..

    https://www.facebook.com/swanbarrels/videos


    Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI stock, with the

    style of a CZ stock, that a guy is setting up. The stock will be finished brown

    and metal finished with a Gun Kote finish...Ed

    ph585jm.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    One of first modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2, the 575 Miller Greiss Magnum,
    was first mentioned in the fifties, It was made from BMG brass shortened to 2.70" long
    and necked up from 50 cal to .585" actually if cut off first, it would be annealed, necked
    to hold 585 bullet. Fairly sharp shoulder.

    They rebated the rim quite a ways to .618" to maybe fit 98 Mauser bolt.
    Maybe used a special hogged out, reworked action. Listed as
    shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about 150gr of ball powder under
    a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter case, where our 585HE holds
    180gr under a 750gr'.

    We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG case.With rim left same as the base
    and would need a BMG or PH sized bolt and action. I'm glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
    and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and new. Years ago when
    guys did big wildcats they took what was available, to rework, and maybe back then
    they could have used the 3" spotter case, by shortening the neck,
    if they could have found couple barrels full.

    But it takes a lot of work to reform cases that much, with the multiple dies,
    multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme reworking of regular rifle actions,
    which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight, any regular, long bolt action,
    falling block, break action, etc, a 585 good for dozen or more heavy loadings,
    and moderate loads, last forever..

    For our 585HE , made it a size, actually new belted size, to fit regular size, long bolt guns,
    (not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from a tripod, and could be put in a favorite,
    of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without taking metal out of the feed trough.
    To get the same and/or more powder space as a cut back, really shortened, BMG case
    wildcatted to 585, or other short cases, we made longer case and worked with guys
    with a group buy, to get a factory run made. A miracle. We thank all gun nuts for the help.

    Here is picture from the great site, cartridgecollector dot net, of the M&G Mag .Ed

    575%20MG%20MAGNUM%20FULL.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Yes many in gun business finding economy is slow. We are all broke.

    Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord.

    Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder.

    Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters.

    First notice of the case sent to me today off of a guys facebook.


    6383d1435630729t-375-warlord-image.jpg



    Another fellow is planning on shortening the 585HE to maybe 2.4", for use Marlins and Henrys,

    and other leverguns, redoing their 45-70s. With the belt they will have good headspace control.

    Without a rim that takes up space in a levergun action, say like our rimmed 24ga FH, a 585 bore,

    but which is perfect with that rim for break actions like our 24ga FH in a Magtech...Ed

    24gamagtech.jpg
     

    embermage

    Active Member
    Sep 20, 2013
    747
    Rising Sun
    :P Well it is not just things are slow for me. I am in the Army so have a limited amount of free funds for things. Hoping I make the E7 list when it comes out.
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
    He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
    There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.

    375warlord.jpg


    Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
    He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.

    biebs2.jpg


    We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
    long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
    using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
    One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
    made similar, just a newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
    and a 1.60" diameter receivers.

    And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
    these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
    another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
    stack, center feed, magazine..He has one of our 585 HE reamers on hand,
    we have barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed

    lawton8000.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
    in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
    Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
    like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
    The scope rail is a piccatiny type.

    lawtonthumb.jpg


    lawtonhogue.jpg


    The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
    block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
    Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.

    About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
    sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
    is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one being added on for a jig
    with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
    extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
    When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
    the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
    The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
    Just keep on building...Ed

    guardlen.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
    On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
    and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
    weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
    Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
    like a compact UTG sight...

    enfieldsight.jpg


    If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
    like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
    He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.

    enbro.jpg


    Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
    a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb
    stock, handles recoil great... Ed

    brian24.jpg



    More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
    Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
    One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
    Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
    to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
    that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
    Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
    Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that
    our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
    for long range shooting.

    lawton35-2.jpg


    Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
    585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
    He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.


    warlord4.jpg



    In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
    By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
    Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed

    Mickyboob.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
    That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever.

    Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
    bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
    I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
    bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.

    2wgrs.jpg


    Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the MPI stock..

    biebs.jpg





    On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
    die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
    felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
    roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
    bullet or slug, shortens case life.

    So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
    of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
    amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
    with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
    work that has to be done in the press ... Ed

    mouthex.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
    Known as Rocky Mtn Rifle. Video is on Youtube of testing our
    585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
    shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A

    Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
    the second one they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
    AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
    Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for 585HE..

    lawton35.jpg


    Picture of Rossi singleshot with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
    chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, for testing in a light rifle
    with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
    put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got lots of cases. Ed

    rossi585bb.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.

    Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.

    Told company if they did them NEFUltra style, rifled, heavy 12ga slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.

    perfect12.jpg



    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed

    camo-en.jpg


    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed

    enbackwea.jpg
     

    hubel585

    Active Member
    Nov 28, 2011
    181
    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,

    bigsuppressor.jpg



    Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
    Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
    compared to many others.

    companion24.jpg



    Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.

    perfect12open.jpg



    Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..

    coyote2.jpg



    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
    variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed

    585bbloads.jpg
     

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