MSI 2021 Legislation Tracker

Mike OTDP · Jan 3, 2021

I'd ask if these twits understand that you can't buy match-grade ammunition at the local gun store, but the answer is "No."

BeoBill · Jan 3, 2021

Mike OTDP said:
I'd ask if these twits understand that you can't buy match-grade ammunition at the local gun store, but the answer is "No."

This is from the Gun Grabber Industry. There's BIG money to be had if you're stupid or greedy. Bloomberg, Soros, the Tides Foundation and the Silicon Valley tech tyrants are all very generous.

srephwed · Jan 3, 2021

If they get Georgia bend over and kiss it goodbye. Plain and simple.

Doctortoxic · Jan 5, 2021

Full text of Ammo bill is up. This bill needs to die on the vine.

Basically background check required unless you have one of the following:

THIS SUBTITLE DOES NOT APPLY TO THE SALE OR TRANSFER OF AMMUNITION BY AN AMMUNITION VENDOR TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
(1) AN AMMUNITION VENDOR;
(2) A PERSON WHO HOLDS A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE;
(3) A PERSON WHO HOLDS A HANDGUN QUALIFICATION LICENSE;
(4) A PERSON WHO PURCHASES OR RECEIVES AMMUNITION AT A TARGET FACILITY HOLDING A BUSINESS OR OTHER REGULATORY LICENSE, IF THE AMMUNITION IS AT ALL TIMES KEPT WITHIN THE FACILITY’S PREMISES;
(5) A GUNSMITH;
(6) A LICENSED FIREARM WHOLESALER;
(7) A MANUFACTURER OR AN IMPORTER OF FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION DEFINED UNDER TITLE 18, § 921 OF THE U.S. CODE; AND
(8) A PROPERLY IDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER INCLUDED UNDER § 3–101 OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ARTICLE OR A PROPERLY

knovotny · Jan 5, 2021

Text for HB 200 and HB 415 are up.

135sohc · Jan 5, 2021

Too early to start drinking yet ? HB-175 (a leftist wet dream)

PowPow · Jan 5, 2021

Here is a link to the text (PDF) of the ammo bill HB175:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2021RS/bills/hb/hb0175f.pdf

Allen65 · Jan 5, 2021

HB175 as currently writen requires a NICS check for ammo purchases. I wasn't aware that Federal law allows NICS to be used for any other purpose than transfer of an actual firearm as defined in Federal law. That fact alone should get the bill killed off, unless the Dems win both GA Senate seats and amend the Brady Act.

PowPow · Jan 5, 2021

Allen65 said:
HB175 as currently writen requires a NICS check for ammo purchases. I wasn't aware that Federal law allows NICS to be used for any other purpose than transfer of an actual firearm as defined in Federal law. That fact alone should get the bill killed off, unless the Dems win both GA Senate seats and amend the Brady Act.

Ask and ye shall receive. Nothing is off the table if GA falls.

Allen65 · Jan 5, 2021

PowPow said:
Ask and ye shall receive. Nothing is off the table if GA falls.

If GA falls, not only will it be on the table, it'll be a centerpiece. Controlling ammo sales at the Federal level has been at the top of Everytown's wish list for several years.

blipper · Jan 5, 2021

Even if both Georgia seats go Democratic, I don't think Manchin of WV will support any significant gun control.

135sohc · Jan 5, 2021

blipper said:
Even if both Georgia seats go Democratic, I don't think Manchin of WV will support any significant gun control.

Little here... little there... it all works towards the end goal.

midnightSGT · Jan 6, 2021

not going to happen

echo6mike · Jan 6, 2021

Allen65 said:
HB175 as currently writen requires a NICS check for ammo purchases. I wasn't aware that Federal law allows NICS to be used for any other purpose than transfer of an actual firearm as defined in Federal law. That fact alone should get the bill killed off, unless the Dems win both GA Senate seats and amend the Brady Act.

The inconvenient fact that NICS can't be legally used the way MGA wants doesn't mean they won't pass this into state law anyway. Hopefully it won't go anywhere, but I won't count on it.

Meanwhile, what does HB200 do? I'm trying to read it and figure out the "for Dummies" version but am not quite sure.

Doctor_M · Jan 6, 2021

Yep.... remember when they banned rapid fire trigger devices and wrote in a temporary exemption if the ATF validated that it was legal for you to own... of course there was no such mechanism for the ATF to validate that or respond to it in any official capacity, so... pfffttt... away wen the temporary exemption. This kind of stuff is intentional.

135sohc · Jan 6, 2021

echo6mike said:
The inconvenient fact that NICS can't be legally used the way MGA wants doesn't mean they won't pass this into state law anyway. Hopefully it won't go anywhere, but I won't count on it.

Meanwhile, what does HB200 do? I'm trying to read it and figure out the "for Dummies" version but am not quite sure.

HB-200 is nothing more than editing an existing law to cover any 'loop holes' they have discovered since it was passed. add some more feel good BS and expand on what the state can charge someone with.

EXPLANATION: CAPITALS INDICATE MATTER ADDED TO EXISTING LAW. [Brackets] indicate matter deleted from existing law

Example:

(c) (1) A person may not store or leave a [loaded] firearm in a location where
the person knew or should have known that an unsupervised [child would] MINOR COULD gain access to the firearm.

Went from "child" to "minor" and went from "would" to "could"

The big catch all thing I keep seeing is they are moving from "loaded firearm" to simply "firearm" and adding ammunition to the language.

I would put 150% of the add on BS is because of the circumstances surrounding Mr Rittenhouse.

Art3 · Jan 6, 2021

135sohc said:
HB-200 is nothing more than editing an existing law to cover any 'loop holes' they have discovered since it was passed. add some more feel good BS and expand on what the state can charge someone with.

Example:

Went from "child" to "minor" and went from "would" to "could"

The big catch all thing I keep seeing is they are moving from "loaded firearm" to simply "firearm" and adding ammunition to the language.

I would put 150% of the add on BS is because of the circumstances surrounding Mr Rittenhouse.

They wanted to pass that last year. "Would" to "could" is pretty serious. There are a lot of safes that I'm absolutely sure 17 year old me COULD have gotten into. I don't think it is possible for me to secure all of my ammo in such a way that a minor with the tools and skills I had as a teenager could not access.

135sohc · Jan 6, 2021

Art3 said:
They wanted to pass that last year. "Would" to "could" is pretty serious. There are a lot of safes that I'm absolutely sure 17 year old me COULD have gotten into. I don't think it is possible for me to secure all of my ammo in such a way that a minor with the tools and skills I had as a teenager could not access.

Agreed.

Not that it means much but there is this 'get out of jail' exemption.

This section does not apply if

The [child’s] MINOR’S access to a firearm was obtained as a result of an 12
unlawful entry.

Sirex · Jan 6, 2021

HB175, "Well, if we can't take their guns, let's take their ammunition."

For now, I have a source in PA, but in the long run, it's gonna such. Hoagie is powerless anyway, and with a Biden and Senate win, the MD dems will definitely feel emboldened. Then, IF it passes, I expect them to go towards limiting the amount you may possess in your home, aimed towards all those who stocked up. They'll probably play clips from the Chicago Fire episode, showing how first responders will be the victims.

echo6mike · Jan 6, 2021

135sohc said:
HB-200 is nothing more than editing an existing law to cover any 'loop holes' they have discovered since it was passed. add some more feel good BS and expand on what the state can charge someone with.

Went from "child" to "minor" and went from "would" to "could"

The big catch all thing I keep seeing is they are moving from "loaded firearm" to simply "firearm" and adding ammunition to the language.

Thanks, that's more clear. Not good, but clear. Those are definitely bad changes. I remember editing some manuals a long time ago, learning the differences between "will/shall/may" and "would/should/could" - they're significant in law too, I understand.

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